Proportional Betting + Wong out effect?

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by trucker

I don't post much, but do read the forums most days. I thought 3's post was interesting and tried to be helpful to the original poster. It seems like he is the only person in this thread trying to answer the original posters question.
This is my opinion, and reading this thread it seems like people are attacking 3. I don't know why anyone deserves to be attacked for trying to help.
Again this is my opinion, please don't attack me. I have no idea as to the answer to the original question or I too would try to answer it, like I feel 3 did.

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Wouldn't dream of it. Stick around awhile, and you'll get a dose of incomprehensible pompostic minutae, saying, essentially nothing.

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bushie

I'm just trying to figure out what effect proportional (optimal) betting has combined with wonging out at -1? This is for SP21, which generally has a higher win rate but much higher standard deviation.

I was simulating a 1-12 bet spread that capped out at +5 and wong out all hands under -1. What effect would proportional/optimal betting have on the win rate, and what effect would it have on standard deviation when wonging out at -1?

Edit: Jeez forgot the important part. Rounding off the bet/count advantage ratio to 4:1 at counts over +5 as well (for ease of use and practical purposes).

Let's start with a basic - what count system are you using for sp21, and is your ramp confirmed as optimal for your bankroll. The reason I'm asking, -1 is n my sp count system is advantageous.

Thought I would get his thread back into n track.

**Three** · 02-26-2018, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by moses

T3,T3,T3. Please go back a read all those posts. It's right there in black, blue, and white. The volume of Freighters comments on FBM ASC is barely a pimple on the ass (nine) of you and Flash.

I could go back and worry that 10,000 years ago your ancestor di something I disagreed with. What does that say about me if I think that makes it okay for me to do the same? Every time Freighter says he thinks whatever his perception of what happened in the past was wrong and then does what he believes to be the same behavior, what does that say about him?

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 02-26-2018, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

-1 is n my sp count system is advantageous.

You are in error. Contact me for (invaluable) feedback.

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Three

I could go back and worry that 10,000 teas ago your ancestor di something I disagreed with. What does that say about me if I think that makes it okay for me to do the same? Every time Freighter says he thinks whatever his perception of what happened in the past was wrong and then does what he believes to be the same behavior, what does that say about him?

3, I want you to think about something.
You, are the author of your own misfortune.

I've chewed you out, Don has chewed you out, Bjarg has chewed you out. Several others have mildly chewed you out. Think about it, and quit the argument while you're behind.

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

You are in error. Contact me for (invaluable) feedback.

I'll reread my girlfriend, Katarina - don't think so, but will let you know if I am. Not really an issue for me anywatptpys, since I have no playable Spanish in my area.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 02-26-2018, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

anywatptpys

What does this mean?

You are an intelligent experienced player, and I
agree if you have only H17 (no ddd rule) you are
facing a high House Edge. That game can only be
exploited with deep penetration, something rarely
seen in Canada. Some of the casinos where I play
Spanish21 the dealers leave well under a half deck
behind the cut card.

With the risk of being repetitive, I must repeat that
you are an intelligent experienced player. You have
much to share beyond the itchiness that plagues your
scrotum. Is there a joke-telling forum? I suspect that
you would be more pleased with the feedback you get.

Of course, this suggestion is directed to others, i.e.moses.
as well.

A newbie posts a question and 77 posts later there are
seven (7) relevant posts and 70 that can be deleted
without 'harming' the O.P.'s (original poster's) question,
but strengthening the likelihood that the O.P. will have
gained something helpful or instructive to his approach
to the game of BJ and not to a virtual verbal 'tennis match'
ping-ponging accusations, insults, defenses, etc. etc.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 02-26-2018, 03:00 PM

Post #37 by moses fails the Relevancy Test.

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

What does this mean?

You are an intelligent experienced player, and I
agree if you have only H17 (no ddd rule) you are
facing a high House Edge. That game can only be
exploited with deep penetration, something rarely
seen in Canada. Some of the casinos where I play
Spanish21 the dealers leave well under a half deck
behind the cut card.

With the risk of being repetitive, I must repeat that
you are an intelligent experienced player. You have
much to share beyond the itchiness that plagues your
scrotum. Is there a joke-telling forum? I suspect that
you would be more pleased with the feedback you get.

Of course, this suggestion is directed to others, i.e.moses.
as well.

A newbie posts a question and 77 posts later there are
seven (7) relevant posts and 70 that can be deleted
without 'harming' the O.P.'s (original poster's) question,
but strengthening the likelihood that the O.P. will have
gained something helpful or instructive to his approach
to the game of BJ and not to a virtual verbal 'tennis match'
ping-ponging accusations, insults, defenses, etc. etc.

Firstly
anywatptpys, new to Webster's, an alternative spelling to "anyways". Easily discernible when read in context to the entire sentence.

Secondly
My Spanish game, when it was p,stable (alternative spelling to playable), and available, was h17 ddd. Unfortunately, low max with sometimes good pen, but usually 4-4.5/6.

Thirdly
I absolutely agree that I am an intelligent experienced player, nice guy too.

Fourthly
I blatantly disagree that itchiness plagues my scrotum. It was one those lightbulb moments when I discovered the FBM ASC, akin to Doc Brown discovering the Flux Capacitor, which makes time travel possible.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 02-26-2018, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

"Spanish game h17 ddd ... low max with ... usually 4-4.5/6."

I believe that you are a "chunky green" player, and
if the Max bet is under $500 that would present a
possible problem for you. The rules noted are fine.

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

I believe that you are a "chunky green" player, and
if the Max bet is under $500 that would present a
possible problem for you. The rules noted are fine.

Max was well under 500, yes I know the rules were decent.

Chunky green, depending on your interpretation is accurate. Going heavier would create a bigger problem than I have already.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 02-26-2018, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

"Going heavier would create a bigger problem than I have already."

I empathize. I do. Really. I think that those of us who are >60
may have problems differing from that of those being "carded."
Are you playing the same casinos too often for 'years on end'?

**Freightman** · 02-26-2018, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

I empathize. I do. Really. I think that those of us who are >60
may have problems differing from that of those being "carded."
Are you playing the same casinos too often for 'years on end'?

To clarify, the max Spanish was well well under 500. BJ is usually 1000 max and sometimes $500. Enough for my purposes. As for too often, yes. Travelling more though.