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    Quote Originally Posted by The Buzzard View Post
    Hi, I am about to put in some time perfecting the Zen count and want to make sure I have the right numbers and strategies in place before I commit a lot to memory.
    I have what I believe is a good game available finally. It is a 6 decker, S17, surrender, and best of all, a lot of dealers deal right down to the last deck. Additionally there are a lot of low buy in tables with even a few 5$ tables sprinkled in.
    I can wong in and out aggressively here and also backcount to my hearts content, many times two tables at once.
    I was hoping someone could review my plan and make any suggestions, corrections on any facet of the strategy and tell me If something looks off.
    My roll is about $5,000 replenishable as I have a part time job. I will be using 1 deck true count conversion.

    I have come up with this spread TRUE <0, 5$ 0,10 2,20 3,40 4,75 5,100 6,125

    Buzzard
    Your spread suits Hi Lo 1 deck true count conversion or Zen half deck true count conversion.

    For Zen one deck true count conversion, I would recommend the following spread, assuming you are shooting for one Kelly RoR with $5,000 bankroll:

    TC Bet
    neg $5
    0 $5
    +2 $20
    +4 $40
    +6 $60
    +8 $80
    +10 $100
    +12 $125 (not recommended, you would show 25 to 1 spread. Actually I would bet $90 at TC +10. Just to avoid black action or trigger 20 to 1 spread alert.)

    Also, your playing indexes are fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Your spread suits Hi Lo 1 deck true count conversion or Zen half deck true count conversion.

    For Zen one deck true count conversion, I would recommend the following spread, assuming you are shooting for one Kelly RoR with $5,000 bankroll:

    TC Bet
    neg $5
    0 $5
    +2 $20
    +4 $40
    +6 $60
    +8 $80
    +10 $100
    +12 $125 (not recommended, you would show 25 to 1 spread. Actually I would bet $90 at TC +10. Just to avoid black action or trigger 20 to 1 spread alert.)

    Also, your playing indexes are fine.
    Max at TC +12!? Even with Zen waiting for a count that high you basically nerf your spread. Depends on game but max needs to be out much sooner, around TC6 is more appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybond007 View Post
    Max at TC +12!? Even with Zen waiting for a count that high you basically nerf your spread. Depends on game but max needs to be out much sooner, around TC6 is more appropriate.
    I dunno looks pretty accurate according to CVCX

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    And thats without wonging.

    With wonging:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybond007 View Post
    Max at TC +12!? Even with Zen waiting for a count that high you basically nerf your spread. Depends on game but max needs to be out much sooner, around TC6 is more appropriate.
    That is equivalent to TC +6 for Hi-Lo. How often does it happen for Hi-Lo players? I would say quite a lot. This assumes one Kelly betting. If he wants to take higher risk, he could have max bet coming out sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybond007 View Post
    "max needs to be out much sooner,
    around TC6 is more appropriate."
    With (my) 'rule of thumb' you ought to place a
    Max Bet when you have roughly a 2% advantage.

    In a standard S17 shoe game without restricted
    doubles or pen' < 80% with the ZEN Count 2%
    is exceeded at T.C. +8.


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