High Edge Side Bets

[knoxstrong]

I've been very lucky to come across some incredible side bets lately. I came across another I'm looking into. The side bet is the player hand totaling 20 on any first two cards dealt. The payout is completely independent of the outcome on the blackjack hand and the dealer hand. The payout is 8:1. Off the top the house has a clear advantage, but with counting this appears to have incredible upside.

Can someone with the appropriate knowledge confirm that this side bet should be profitable at a true count of 2 or greater with the following tags?

• A:0
• 2-9: 1
• 10s: -2

As a nice little bonus, this count shows an insurance correlation over 98%. However, I'm only concerned with ensuring I will have a positive EV at a true count of 2 or greater.

[umbrellaman]

Buy Advanced Advantage Play by Eliot Jacobson. Your answer is likely in that book. I'd check but I'm travelling and don't have it with me.

[Freightman]

I've been very lucky to come across some incredible side bets lately. I came across another I'm looking into. The side bet is the player hand totaling 20 on any first two cards dealt. The payout is completely independent of the outcome on the blackjack hand and the dealer hand. The payout is 8:1. Off the top the house has a clear advantage, but with counting this appears to have incredible upside.

Can someone with the appropriate knowledge confirm that this side bet should be profitable at a true count of 2 or greater with the following tags?

• A:0
• 2-9: 1
• 10s: -2

As a nice little bonus, this count shows an insurance correlation over 98%. However, I'm only concerned with ensuring I will have a positive EV at a true count of 2 or greater.

Just had another peek at this. Of course, Dog hand is your man. Seems to me, for greater accuracy, you need to give some weight to an Ace,Nine twenty.

so, how bout
2,3,4,5,6,7,8 are 1
A,9 are -2
10's are -4

Thus would be unbalanced, so either cakculate a pivot point where it would pay, or start with -4 per deck to make it balanced. Don't think plus 2 will do it though. I'm sure Don has something about frequency if 20's in BJA3. Also, CVData.

[Freightman]

Yeah. An unbalance -13/deck. I think you didn't think this through properly.

Hey, you're right. Dazzle us with your brilliance. Try to do it in 1 paragraph,

[Freightman]

I am not trying to outdo anyone. It isn't a contest.

If I wanted to dazzle you with my brilliance I would have spent more than 10 seconds thinking about it. I could definitely do better.

Of course you are. Outdoing everyone is the crux of your modus operandi. And if course, I would much rather you dazzle me with brilliance than bite the shit out of me with verbosity.

[Freightman]

I am supposed to make stupid suggestions so they fit in with the ones you make or try to help people think outside the box by giving strong suggestions? Is it my fault I think of better ways to do things? Am I supposed to try to think of weaker ways to do things so you don't feel inferior about your abilities. Just lose the chip on your shoulder and stop thinking it is a contest. I thought for a simple approach the OP's approach was strong. It was you that started offering other approaches. Once I started thinking about other approaches this was the simplest approach to use without using a 2 man team to play both the main bet and the side bet in a strong way.

I don’t care if u make stupid suggestions, provided you do do brieflly. Think highly of yourself should you do desire, but please articulate - Briefly. You don’t need to do anything to fit n with my thought process. You are more than capable of doing dumb things without assistance.

Oh- absolutely hopeless. We need some sanity. Where is Zee?

Think I getting cataracts. It not a bad think, since I’ll miss ur meshugas. Anyways , someone has a yahrtzeit and it’s Marriv.

[ZeeBabar]

I don’t care if u make stupid suggestions, provided you do do brieflly. Think highly of yourself should you do desire, but please articulate - Briefly. You don’t need to do anything to fit n with my thought process. You are more than capable of doing dumb things without assistance.

Oh- absolutely hopeless. We need some sanity. Where is Zee?

Think I getting cataracts. It not a bad think, since I’ll miss ur meshugas. Anyways , someone has a yahrtzeit and it’s Marriv.

Damn! Somehow I got in this thread too? Course, it's good to know Freightman and some others also hold the same impressions of the show off, know it all writer.

[Freightman]

Damn! Somehow I got in this thread too? Course, it's good to know Freightman and some others also hold the same impressions of the show off, know it all writer.

You’re commenting on an 8 month old post. There is more relevance when the list you’re quite is somewhat more current.

[Three]

You’re commenting on an 8 month old post. There is more relevance when the list you’re quite is somewhat more current.

He gets pissed and searches the archives for something to make derogatory comments about. It is part of Zee's trolling strategy to disrupt the forum. All he usually accomplishes is making himself look Zee-like and nobody wants that.

[ZeeBabar]

He gets pissed and searches the archives for something to make derogatory comments about. It is part of Zee's trolling strategy to disrupt the forum. All he usually accomplishes is making himself look Zee-like and nobody wants that.

It's exactly what you and the 21 year old do, either bring my name into a post or find something to lie about me (like I am giving advice) and going off into a few paragraphs of showing off.

[Three]

find something to lie about me (like I am giving advice)

If you say this is what I do, you aren't necessarily giving advice. But if you add it works good for me it is definitely going to be taken as advice. If you are too stupid to realize that means you are giving advice even after people point it out to you then that just shows how thick headed you are. Everyone else takes your posts about what you do as advice. Some people even say they have followed Zee's advice. Why are you posting what you do if it isn't intended as advice. I posted what I did to help others think outside the box. When it seemed others thought they could use what I was talking about without changing the way they use information gathered I saw they were taking it as advice so I stopped posting about it. It was not intended to be advice and if people were taking it as advice then it was harmful advice even though I never intended it to be advice. You are doing the same thing with your bad advice. You have to realize that when you post something that other people take as advice it is advice whether it was intended to be or not. You are quite guilty of this and refuse to understand such a simple concept. If you say, this is what I do and it isn't working, that is not advice. If you say, this is what I do, and leave it at that it can be tough of as advice. If you say, this is what I do and it is working for me, it is definitely advice whether you intended that way or not. You do the latter. if you refuse to understand the difference you are either intentionally hurting people or just really stupid. You can pick which one it is. Those that call you on your constantly giving bad advice have made their mind up on this.

[Dbs6582]

If you say this is what I do, you aren't necessarily giving advice. But if you add it works good for me it is definitely going to be taken as advice. If you are too stupid to realize that means you are giving advice even after people point it out to you then that just shows how thick headed you are. Everyone else takes your posts about what you do as advice. Some people even say they have followed Zee's advice. Why are you posting what you do if it isn't intended as advice. I posted what I did to help others think outside the box. When it seemed others thought they could use what I was talking about without changing the way they use information gathered I saw they were taking it as advice so I stopped posting about it. It was not intended to be advice and if people were taking it as advice then it was harmful advice even though I never intended it to be advice. You are doing the same thing with your bad advice. You have to realize that when you post something that other people take as advice it is advice whether it was intended to be or not. You are quite guilty of this and refuse to understand such a simple concept. If you say, this is what I do and it isn't working, that is not advice. If you say, this is what I do, and leave it at that it can be tough of as advice. If you say, this is what I do and it is working for me, it is definitely advice whether you intended that way or not. You do the latter. if you refuse to understand the difference you are either intentionally hurting people or just really stupid. You can pick which one it is. Those that call you on your constantly giving bad advice have made their mind up on this.

I follow Zee’s advice, or said a better way Zee helped me understand what I was doing is okay. The game can be beat the way Zee plays it.

Btw, this has to be one of your most mind twisting posts you’ve made in a while. By the end of it, I had to hit my head a couple times to clear it up. You use way too many words trying to make a simple point. Your point is Zee is giving advice, which I agree with you. What I don’t agree is that Zee’s advice is all bad. For the recreational counter, I think he gives some good advice.

[Freightman]

I follow Zee’s advice, or said a better way Zee helped me understand what I was doing is okay. The game can be beat the way Zee plays it.

Btw, this has to be one of your most mind twisting posts you’ve made in a while. By the end of it, I had to hit my head a couple times to clear it up. You use way too many words trying to make a simple point. Your point is Zee is giving advice, which I agree with you. What I don’t agree is that Zee’s advice is all bad. For the recreational counter, I think he gives some good advice.

You need relief to get rid of that hot air.


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