A brief trip Las Vegas trip report and OSN

[Freightman]

When they pull my account, they know exactly how much I lost each time?

I have an AP friend who always wins more than what the house says he won, and always loses less than what the house thinks he list. The master.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Rat-holing" chips is a dreadfully poor idea.
Is a cogent explanation really needed here?

[Freightman]

"Rat-holing" chips is a dreadfully poor idea.
Is a cogent explanation really needed here?

It's a bad idea if you're lousy at it. If you're great at it, then your comment does not have merit, like blowing hi Opt 2 up someone's ass.

[BoSox]

"Rat-holing" chips is a dreadfully poor idea.
Is a cogent explanation really needed here?

Depends, upon the situation.

[Freightman]

Yes, but it is important to tell those that do it the most important part of getting away with it is knowing when to do it and when not to do it. Getting away with it isn't about getting the chips in your pocket undetected. It is about having those missing chips assigned to someone else. That will never happen if you are playing alone or playing with players that never bet or get paid with the denomination chip you got into your pocket without being detected. Once your file indicates you rathole, because you did it at the wrong time, all missing chips will be assigned to you from that point on.

Analogous to -don't most hi opt 2 if you're no good at it.

[Freightman]

I just don't like the newbies being misinformed by only giving them partial information.

Is that not your modus operandi - to provide partial information camoflauged within voluminous manifestos.

[Freightman]

Certainly not in a long time but you seem to be king of that now.
Prime example above. You should say you shouldn't use any count if your not good at it. But you chose to imply only one count do you have to be good at before using. The examples go your posts giving just enough info to lead newbies astray lately is endless. The last post I read implied because you found a Floor that was stupid after one of your sessions involving a highly correlated to BJ count side bet that you didn't have to worry about such side bets being used to more easily identify counters. We all know that many casinos use when you both bet a raised bet and make a side bet that you are probably counting with certain side bets that are highly correlated to Bj counts.

It's in reference to the hi Opt brigade shoving a version of their perceptions down everyone's throat. I also assume at minimum, a semblance if intelligence among the forum members - unlike the hi Opt brigade which professes its suoeriority to the supposed uninformed masses.

Be careful, before you get spanked.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Three, +1 Post #64 Deserves to be re-read.

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Freightman,

Not every Card Counter is misinformed about Hi-Opt II

Most have decided that it is either too difficult for them;

or that it is simply 'overkill' for their modest expectations.

[Bubbles]

The pit must account for the chips. As long as none are found missing, extra ones are unlikely to be assigned to you. There are a few creative ways to get them assigned to others.

While I use hiopt2, I certainly do not push it. I don't care what count someone chooses. I have to make everything overly complicated and try to be the best, so my count was a simple choice. Many other people are less competitive and have more practical inclinations. Other counts make more sense to them.

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[Freightman]

Three, +1 Post #64 Deserves to be re-read.

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Freightman,

Not every Card Counter is misinformed about Hi-Opt II

Most have decided that it is either too difficult for them;

or that it is simply 'overkill' for their modest expectations.

Valid comment, but why shove it down everyone's throat?

[Freightman]

Use your brain Freighter. Newbies know nothing of what you speak. They just joined the forum. Except for Flash nobody has been pushing Hiopt2. If you don't like that Hilo is the obvious choice in a comparison because it is at the low end of performanceand the most popular count, while Hiopt2/ASC is the obvious other choice because it represents the high limit of published BJ counts, that is your problem. They are the logical choices for limits in a 2 count comparison that represents the full range of counting systems in both complexity and effectiveness as measured by the usual measures. When people do this they aren't pushing Hiopt2. If you didn't figure that out yet you have a bias that is keeping you from seeing things clearly. That is not a good thing.

I not only use my brain, I use it very well. Not withstanding the fact that they're very strong hi lo players on this board, why do you say that hi Opt 2 with asc is the obvious high performance choice. Hi opt 2 is like Ford Motor Company. I hate fucking Fords.

Halves is also a high performance choice - even more powerful with FBM ASC. I keep hearing all this crap from you guys about tough it is to lose money, that we don't know how to select games and on it goes. I'm really tired of it.

My last trip, just concluded, was 10 individual sessions over 4 days, playing a combo of dd and 6d. Win 8/10 sessions which included 4 crappy conditions dd session, (1 loss), 1 great condition dd session (loss), 4 mediocre shoe condition sessions 4 wins), 2 great shoe conditions (2 wins).

My prior sojourn was a single session win, with the one before that with similar stats to the one just described above, as was the one before that.

I'm obviously very lucky, since I don't use hi Opt 2 - or us it - dare I say - judgement.

[Freightman]

So you have the maintain a perfect Ace side count to remain slightly worse. OR have the luxury of imperfection or no Ace side count and still be better. Shrewd!

So Bosox shouldn't even be playing?

According to the pseudo experts, Bosox is an idiot. So is a local friend if mine. I don't think Bosox is an idiot, and I know my local friend is not. Though, the FBM ASC might be an add on.

[Freightman]

Because it is the high end of the spectrum for performance and the most extreme for complexity. So whether you are trying to show a performance range for all counts or a complexity range for all counts Hiopt2/ASC is still at the end. If you don't mind not covering all performance with the range a couple counts perform almost as well as Hiopt2. When most people give ranges they try to show practical extremes.
If you write in complete sentences people can understand you.
Are you trying to imply these short term results are in any way meaningful?
Why in the world would you believe you have to use Hiopt2/ASC. There is only 1 person on the board that pushes that. A lot more push Hilo. Why aren't you tired of that? Most don't push any count. They just discuss the range of options and try to relate it to each individual. You have invented this pushing a count indoor head and have become the biggest problem when it comes to someone pushing a count as is indicated by your helpfulness rating. It is the few people that make a big deal about what count people choose that cause the count debates. The rest of us are tired of you (plural) doing that.

You should learn when a response requests a response. You also need to comprehend better. Stick to Spanish. Anyways, I have to out shortly, into the cold outdoors, thankfully with improved driving conditions.

Oh, to answer your inquiry - other than a 3 month beat down a few years ago and the usual dips here and there, the stats quoted are not that far off my 10 year performance.