Do people become more stingy in new year?

[BJGenius007]

I played a long two hour session today. I am surprised that no one tipped for dealers in the whole session (besides me), even when they colored up with sizable win. Do I happen to have more than ten ungenerous people at my table? Or the economy is not as good as advertised and people become stingy. A very old dealer told a guy when just hit a side bet Jackpot and did not tip her at all, "I hope you treat your mother better." He said, "I do." People should be more cheerful in New Year Day.

[Stealth]

I only tip Blackjack dealers for reasons of cover.

[ThePointWhisperer]

I've become increasingly stingy over the last year. Part of it is because I started tracking just how much I was tipping. Part of it is because of dealers tip hustling, and finally because of dealers seemingly getting worse at their job.

[Casanova]

I only tip Blackjack dealers for reasons of cover.

Agreed! Imho, I feel like an experienced dealer might start flashing his hole card if you were to tip him well enough. Dealers live off of tips and with the gift of gab, I think they’ll be willing to work with you but in a very covert way.

[Freightman]

Agreed! Imho, I feel like an experienced dealer might start flashing his hole card if you were to tip him well enough. Dealers live off of tips and with the gift of gab, I think they’ll be willing to work with you but in a very covert way.

Collusion in a gambling setting? Think twice! It's called cheating. Casinos take more than a dim view, and if caught, you would find yourself with legal problems including all expense paid accommodation from the state.

[Casanova]

Collusion in a gambling setting? Think twice! It's called cheating. Casinos take more than a dim view, and if caught, you would find yourself with legal problems including all expense paid accommodation from the state.

I understand you completely but I’m sure dealers to this day flash. Whether accidental or purposely. Up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunity. Me personally, I don’t consider that cheating. If you see the hole card or it’s shown to you purposely, so be it. Hand or two later, here’s a toke Sir. No good deed goes forgotten. Now using devices, that’s cheating!

[Freightman]

I understand you completely but I’m sure dealers to this day flash. Whether accidental or purposely. Up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunity. Me personally, I don’t consider that cheating. If you see the hole card or it’s shown to you purposely, so be it. Hand or two later, here’s a toke Sir. No good deed goes forgotten. Now using devices, that’s cheating!

Legit holecarding, I.e. No dealer collysion is not cheating. There is no crime in take advantage of a weak dealer.
Having said, it is still wise to be careful. Though legal, it does not necessarily preclude you from legal expense.

Caveat. For legal advice, see a lawyer.

[Ryemo]

I played a long two hour session today. I am surprised that no one tipped for dealers in the whole session (besides me), even when they colored up with sizable win. Do I happen to have more than ten ungenerous people at my table? Or the economy is not as good as advertised and people become stingy. A very old dealer told a guy when just hit a side bet Jackpot and did not tip her at all, "I hope you treat your mother better." He said, "I do." People should be more cheerful in New Year Day.

Should I feel obligated to tip because the casino fails to pay their employees a fair wage? That’s bullshit. I only tip for cover purposes for the most part, and I only do so on games that yield a very high EV.

[paymypush]

I understand you completely but I’m sure dealers to this day flash. Whether accidental or purposely. Up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunity. Me personally, I don’t consider that cheating. If you see the hole card or it’s shown to you purposely, so be it. Hand or two later, here’s a toke Sir. No good deed goes forgotten. Now using devices, that’s cheating!

A hand or two later, hands behind your back sir. This is the last situation in which you would want to tip. If collusion was suspected, the tips could clinch it for them.

Anyone who plays long enough has a good chance of running into this. I always handle it the same, by leaving the table. Pronto!

[Casanova]

A hand or two later, hands behind your back sir. This is the last situation in which you would want to tip. If collusion was suspected, the tips could clinch it for them.

Anyone who plays long enough has a good chance of running into this. I always handle it the same, by leaving the table. Pronto!

First sentence made me laugh! But in all seriousness, everything stated is the best advice pertaining to collusion. An uncle of mine in the early 90s played with a specific dealer in the Taj Mahal in 4 card poker. From what he’s told me, that dealer was down with collusion and they took care of the dealer away from the casino. One weekend he went to look for that dealer and no longer did the dealer work there he was told! I’m surprised that my uncle never ran into any legal troubles behind that.

[Freightman]

Collusion in a gambling setting? Think twice! It's called cheating. Casinos take more than a dim view, and if caught, you would find yourself with legal problems including all expense paid accommodation from the state.

While playing heads up with a dual critter dealer, who knew exactly what I was doing - suggested that I could win more with his assistance. He actually gave me a (not actually doing it) demo on how he could do it. I let him know right there on the spot that I prefer to win the right way, never to suggest it to me again.

The individual surprised me, since I would not have expected that from this guy. Further, I absolutely did not discount the possibility that this was a house set up. The house eventually gave the "Fists of Stone" line - no mas.

The few dollars that such a play would garner is just simply not worth the risk. At the time, I was on bj21, and sought further advice on this situation. Best play is to keep it honest.

[21forme]

Should I feel obligated to tip because the casino fails to pay their employees a fair wage? That’s bullshit. I only tip for cover purposes for the most part, and I only do so on games that yield a very high EV.

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A hand or two later, hands behind your back sir. This is the last situation in which you would want to tip. If collusion was suspected, the tips could clinch it for them.

Anyone who plays long enough has a good chance of running into this. I always handle it the same, by leaving the table. Pronto!

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[terry0222]

Should I feel obligated to tip because the casino fails to pay their employees a fair wage? That’s bullshit. I only tip for cover purposes for the most part, and I only do so on games that yield a very high EV.

My father was a good man, but was a terrible tipper in a restaurant. Said, "The restaurants should pay their wait staff a fair wage." Perhaps so, but in a restaurant you are expected to tip if the service meets certain minimum standards. (And remember, the wait staff does not prepare the meals...they just serve them).

You may think a casino should pay better. But the fact is, tipping is part of the dealer pay. I tip (modestly) if the dealer is friendly, deals quickly, and makes few, if any, mistakes. Like the food, the dealer is NOT responsible for what comes out of the shoe. Therefore, I tip, win or lose, based upon how well the dealer does THEIR job. They aren't responsible for bad shoes. Bottom line...tipping is a cost of doing business. Like other costs, they are expenses that can and should be controlled. But, tipping a dealer for a well-dealt games is appropriate.