Level 1 count versus Level 2 count

[BoSox]

Bosox - seems to me this forum is a relay race.

21forme, these count wars are always a constant on this forum, this bullshit needs to stop at some point.

[Freightman]

21forme, these count wars are a always a constant on this forum, this bullshit needs to stop at some point.

I ignore them.
Anything you may have read in the last couple if days is simply a figment of your imagination

[seriousplayer]

If one learns HOW to STUDY / PRACTICE ~ mistakes will rarely be made.
Use Flash Cards, etc. Spend sufficient time......"There Is No Free Lunch."

You and Three still didn't answer my question. I am talking about counting mistakes I am not talking playing mistake. Well, miscounting mistake leads to playing and betting errors. How would you deal with that? Study more? Even if you spend sufficient time practicing you get tired and you miscount.

[21forme]

Well, miscounting mistake leads to playing and betting errors. How would you deal with that? Study more? Even if you spend sufficient time practicing you get tired and you miscount.

Practice more. Use CVBJ drills. Tired after many hours, sure. Tired and error-prone after 1-2 hours - you've got a problem.

[Freightman]

3 said
" I never play if I am tired. That is just asking for trouble. I used to when I was young and foolish but soon learned that it is not about getting in the most hours, it is about getting in the most quality hours"

I've said the above many times in different ways.

When travelling, extend the example to comfortable travel vehicles (driving) with secure comfortable accommodation in close proximity to your play areas. Rest when tired. Stay fresh while playing.

It's not necessarily an issue if errors as such, rather a difference between your A game and your B Game.

[Ustonzen]

What about a level 1 count with ASC?

On a related note does anyone have the indices for single deck S17 hi lo? I cant get a bead on a set of tables that i trust.

(Dont tell me to get bja3 im not going to encourage don)

[Freightman]

What about a level 1 count with ASC?

On a related note does anyone have the indices for single deck S17 hi lo? I cant get a bead on a set of tables that i trust.

(Dont tell me to get bja3 im not going to encourage don)

Won't encourage Don then. How about Wong. Professional Blackjack, tables you're after start around page 250. There is an online version of the book, though the tables may start at a different point.

Wouldn't you know it. The book is on the end table in my den. Tables you're after start page 263.

[Ustonzen]

Won't encourage Don then. How about Wong. Professional Blackjack, tables you're after start around page 250. There is an online version of the book, though the tables may start at a different point.

Wouldn't you know it. The book is on the end table in my den. Tables you're after start page 263.

Well meet up in the land of maple syrup and hockey soon

[Freightman]

Well meet up in the land of maple syrup and hockey soon

Tabernac

[BoSox]

I have mentored many in Hi-Opt II - and I still do.

In the last fewdays I was in 3 different states and I met up

with a regular poster, who experienced the "usual" and wanted

to meet me, buy me a fine dinner and "pick my brains" face to face.

The "usual" is an occasional poster on this forum who has (severely)

limited, (if any), success with a Level One count, generally Hi-Lo.

I had mentored him in Hi-Opt II. He and his spouse had been playing

professionally since and had earnings slightly above expectation.

We were soon joined by a close friend who I had trained intensively

allowing him to turn Pro two years ago. He is one of the brightest full-time

A.P.s and I laughingly call him "His Excellence, the Excel Master."

I have had this (virtually) identical scenario develop roughly 8 to 12

times in the last decade.

All due respect ZenMaster_Flash, all you ever advertise to new perspective students, and this board is your prior success stories. In this instance you mention people whom you trained such as His Excellence, the Excel Master. You continue with saying "I have had this (virtually) identical scenario develop roughly 8 to 12 times in the last decade." they often turn professional. The problem with all of this is you NEVER EVER talk about the failures as giving the implication there never is any. These are the very same people that lets use your words:

The "usual" is an occasional poster on this forum who has (severely)

limited, (if any), success with a Level One count, generally Hi-Lo.

Most amateur Card Counters readily swallow what I refer to as the "Hi-Lo

Party-Line" In training, I often have the student play BJ using their Level

So evidently you want everyone to believe that you take those players who are having difficulties with using level one counts, with limited if any success, and literally turn them into money making machines. Well please pardon my apprehension, as I tend to be skeptical when I only hear one side of the story.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Bosox,

I estimate that > 80% fail. Those who
failed lacked one or more crucial factors,
... ... study skills, sobriety, dedication,
emotional stability, patience, etc. I have
(attempted to) mentor perhaps 60 peeps.

"Many are called. Few are chosen."

[BoSox]

Bosox,

I estimate that > 80% fail. Those who
failed lacked one or more crucial factors,
... ... study skills, sobriety, dedication,
emotional stability, patience, etc. I have
(attempted to) mentor perhaps 60 peeps.

"Many are called. Few are chosen."

Thank you!

[Stealth]

Well said, Stealth.

Here's another thought to ponder:

Counting cards is the lowest edge and most easily detected form of advantage play, regardless of count complexity (level X + indices). Rather than concentrate your limited time and energy on more complex counts, which provide little additional gain, think about and explore other forms of advantage play.

I agree AP' should have multiple weapons.

As with most things there are considerations, in my experience in converting a blackjack AP to an "other" AP they tend to lose a willingness to play blackjack. Do not misunderstand, I am well aware of the edge that can be obtained with hole carding and other forms of play. Unfortunately, many of those opportunities are like finding unicorns. They do exists but you spend a lot of time looking. Blackjack is available in all the casinos.

I contend an AP needs multiple games in his tool bag so that he can be more productive in his travel to various casinos.

My counsel to an AP is to go into a casino looking for any or all games that are playable and select the ones that are the most beneficial. Do not let yourself become a one trick pony.