MUST READ-AP players mentality needs tp change now to fight Casinos

[killanugs]

Through my recent research, I've discovered what card counters have been fighting for decades is a losing battle, or maybe not? For almost 40 years, Blackjack Advantage Players, Known as "Card Counters" have been at war with casinos. AP players have always claimed, with valid reasons, that card counting isnt illegal. Supreme Courts have already ruled card counting isnt illegal. However, for years now, Casinos have operated under legislatures "the common law" which has allowed them to exclude any patron from their establishment for any reasons. Now through my research, you'd think there would be thousands of cases where Advantage Players have challenged this in the highest courts of laws right? Wrong, in fact its not even in the hundreds (Plural). Out of those very few cases, mostly the same argument was raised, "Card counting isnt illegal thus should be allowed to be played in Casinos". Almost everyone of those cases, the plaintiff's admitted to "card counting".
This leads me back to the beginning of this post, which is that mentality hasnt and will never change the enviroment for card counters in Casino. Now through my background and common sense, I know that the law states innocent until proven guilty. Now youre asking, card counting isnt illegal, so it shouldnt matter. WRONG, through what I've already proven in this post, it does matter. Casino employees for years have been banning card counters and many dont put up a fight citing its not cheating or wrong (which it isnt). Now I fully understand that if you're not doing anything illegal, you should have nothing to hide. However, thats just not the case when it comes to card counters rights in Casinos. Card counters continue to lose all rights to the common law rule that casinos have been operating under for years, which very few have challenged.
So what if I say theres a very great possibility that this could all change, all the card counters would be interested in hearing right? However, just like everything in life, change only happens when many people unite under 1 common goal. Now some may read this and say, "what the hell does this guy know, whats his background". So I'll tell you, NO, I'm not an AP player and No, I'm not a Lawyer. So now youre saying I have no credibility right now and whatever else I have to say doesnt matter on this subject right? So before I go any further, I'd like to see those who are interested on knowing more and those who doubt my credibilty. I request this, for 2 reasons, it aids in my research and gives me satisfaction to saying and proving to those "I told you so"

So please, leave comments, as I write up my article further.


EDIT-DUE TO THE REPLIES ALREADY ABOUT CASINOS CAN KICK YOU OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON? PLEASE SPARE YOUR TIME AND SPACE ON THIS THREAD AND DIG DEEP INTO THE SUPREME COURTS COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER, LIKE I HAVE ALREADY, THANK YOU

[terry0222]

Well, Toto. It's all a mystery. Perhaps everything is behind the green curtain.

[killanugs]

Well Terry, that was a creative skeptical reply you had. So do u wear Nike tennis shoes? I hope so, cause I heard theyre the most comfortable when running away from problems instead of fighting back

[Meistro123]

It comes down to property rights. They own the casino so they can make whatever rules they want, including giving counters the boot.

[Stealth]

Casinos utilize their "property rights" to ban you from playing and I don't see those changing, ever. Do not believe the fight over this will ever produce positive results.

The soap box that might have merit, is the one about OSN and others like them who besmirch our good names by promoting our banning in other casinos (in addition to theirs). They may suspect us as card counters but they have no proof. They include us in a list of charlatans and cheats and then distribute to other casinos. I believe this to be the same as taking out an ad in the newspaper and declaring you are a cheater.

I am certainly not an attorney, but the concepts of libel, slander and defamation come to mind. I would certainly contribute to a Gofundme account to raise money for legal fees for a possible class action after some legal advice. The problem seems to be we are one at a time and not well enough funded to fight them.

I floated this concept to a gaming attorney we all know once by email but did not get a response so I let it die. I remain an antagonist until logic proves otherwise.

If such a fight were successful , then we might see casinos tactics change............or not.

[killanugs]

Meistro, that has been the public's understanding for years, through the seldomly challenged "common Laws", which gave them that right. However, there has since been new chapters added to that legislation that has been yet to be fully challenged. New chapters that could be won in court with the proper mentality. Those same chapters that the Supreme Court in Nevada are fully aware of and cannot act on, unless more people bring it to their attention. Once the court systems start hearing certain cases, then those will finally move up to the Supreme Court where they'll start ruling on them

[terry0222]

Well Terry, that was a creative skeptical reply you had. So do u wear Nike tennis shoes? I hope so, cause I heard theyre the most comfortable when running away from problems instead of fighting back

I'm perfectly willing to confront issues/problems. But vague suggestions without substance are akin to the Wizard of Oz. Remember the politician who said, "I have a solution for Viet Nam.....but I'm not going to tell anyone what it is. JUST believe me."

Already suspect this belongs in the DISADVANTAGE thread, but perhaps not. You already stated in your post that the casinos operate under the concepts of "common law." Well, card counters are NOT a protected class. Shall we lobby to get the status of a protected class?

[killanugs]

Stealth, thats EXACTLY my point. The casinos are Goliath and Card Counters are David. The casinos have financial backing, which they heavily flex, to keep people from challenging them in courts. They know exactly what I know and those common laws theyve been operating under are outdated. Without going into to much detail, as my next article with dive into, but The Supreme Court has only heard a few cases in regards to "card counters". Like my earlier post stated, that hasnt gotten anywhere in court. However, theres a much EASIER path to resistance, thats yet to be challenged in court systems. One that I'm dumbfounded as to why?

[killanugs]

Terry, one question and one question only, when you walk into a Casino, do you walk in under the notion youre a card counter?

[killanugs]

What's so crazy, is the fact that card counting is the one thing that can NEVER EVER be proven, unless ANY person admits to doing it. Even worse, even if you're strategy in blackjack is to card count, why in the hell would your mentality dictate that if ever confronted by casino personnal? Many PEOPLE who use "card ounting" as a strategy is caught up in the middle of all the BS thats been going on for years. I'll dive into this more with detail article, but 1 mind set that needs to be adapted by anyone walking into a casino is VERY VERY SIMPLE. Anyone, and I mean Anyone who walks into a Casino with a goal to play any 1 or more of their games, is going in to GAMBLE. That's it, nothing more, nothing less, EVERYONE in that Casino playing any of their games is Gambling, also known as a Gambler. It's only the Casino that UNFAIRLY classifies very great blackjack players as "Card Counters". They do this unfairly and without ANY proof whatsoever and will NEVER be able to prove it. The problem lies within the great blackjack players who admit to card counting, want to be classified as a card counter and fight a crusade they should be allowed to play. Why the hell are they continuing to do that and give every casino merit to justify backing them off, let alone banning them? is it ego driven? victim of the society we live in and believing thats who you really are cause a Casino deems you that way? It's very simple and alot more to it, Every great blackjack player that walks into a casino is just another gambler and any casino refusing you that right, could be possibly violating your rights, which doesn't fall under their "Common Law" rights. Like I said, this topic/situation goes alot deeper and those willing to hear more and possibly fight back, will open up new doors for others

[ShipTheCookies]

Casinos, or any other businesses for that matter, do not need to give any reason to kick you out.

[killanugs]

ABSOLUTELY WRONG Shipthecookies, ABSOLUTELY WRONG

[Stealth]

They know exactly what I know and those common laws theyve been operating under are outdated.

If your are referring to the property laws, I believe they originated before our country was founded. If you have something to say of value, then say it. I, for one, am not interested in your teaser comments. If you have new information that can be judged to be worthy of pursuit, then I am your huckleberry, otherwise stop jerking us around.