Double Deck

[Battousai]

Hey guys, me again. With my $5,000 bankroll, just wanted to see if it would be wise to use a 1-3 bet spread at a double deck game I've been able to find a game with great penetration and decent rules. There is a double deck game with a $15 minimum. Blackjack pays 3:2 (there's a single deck one table over that pays 6:5. Ugh.) Dealer hits soft 17, double any 2 cards, double after split, split up to 4 times, cannot resplit aces, no surrender.

Now let's talk about the penetration at this double deck. It's amazing. I swear they cut less than 20 cards everytime. I'd say the penetration here is in the high 80's. 87.5% if you wanted my thoughts on it. Maybe because they're a new casino and the a lot of the dealers are new...but, yeah awesome game. What do you guys think? Would spreading from $15-$45 be good enough? My Max bet would come out at a TC+3.

Another casino offers the same rules with great penetration for their double deck games except the minimum is $25.

[cc12b]

Do you want them change the pen? do not name the casinos that offer good rules or pen on open public. I saw that problem few times. Please delete or edit your post

[Battousai]

Noted. I made the changes. Thanks for the heads up.

[jimmybond007]

I would recommend you either bet 40$ or 50$ as a max bet. When it comes to taking insurance, betting 45$ slows the game down when you have to get change to make sure you fully insure your bet. Sometimes dealers don't need floor approval to make change for 5$ but they will still call it out which might get attention vs nothing ever being called out.

Also when you get blackjack the dealer will have to pay you in smaller chips as well.

It's preferred to bet in even sums that are easily paid off with one cut of checks from the dealer, try not to bet different denominations which need to be broken down after every hand if they win.

I would recommend either a 10$-40$ or 15-50$. With a polite betting spread and low max bet a 1-5 might be tolerated. I don't know the store so I cannot comment on that.

It might be a good idea to learn more negative indices as you will be playing much more negative counts in DD. Being able to make better decisions with your small bets helps quite a bit when you are employing a small spread at DD.

[Romes]

I suppose my first question would be: What do you want to get out of this? If you're just playing for fun, to maybe break even or make a couple bucks, and to earn some comps, then sure 1-3 spread ($15-$45) will be 'okay'. Maybe make around $10/hour...

If you're trying to maximize your EV while keeping a low spread to keep the game alive... then I'd suggest a few changes. 1-4 spread (also agreeing with jimmybond about even numbers for insurance/blackjacks to save time). Next, if you're going to stick with a 1-3 spread you should have your max bet out at TC +2. TC <= 0 = $15... TC +1 = $30... TC +2 = $45 (or even $60 on a 1-4 spread). With a smaller spread you can get your max bet out faster. 1-4 spread max out at TC +2 ~ $15/hour, and still a pretty small spread/max bet, in my opinion. This also assumes you're playing down through TC -2, since in DD it's harder to wong. If you're doing a "play all" even if it goes past TC -2, then you're going to need a 1-4 spread or more to keep all of your EV from being eaten by the negative counts.

Lastly - Careful with a good rule, good pen DD game. Usually those are the sweatiest.

[Battousai]

Thanks for the suggestions. I guess I'd say im just doing this as more of a weekend thing but trying to make the best out of it. Definitely trying to make money too though.

I didn't realize I should I push my Max bet out at a TC+2. If I were to use the 1-4 spread pushing my Max bet out at TC+2($60), would it look like this:

TC -1 and below: $15
Zero $30
TC+1: $45
TC+2: $60

Thanks again.

[Meistro123]

I didn't realize I should I push my Max bet out at a TC+2.

You shouldn't.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Hey Z' ...

Warning: Kansas City heat has become intense.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

" ... I should I push my Max bet out at a TC+2"

I stridently disagree. The House Edge in the game you are referencing is 0.40%

I assume that as a beginner you are using Hi-Lo. At T.C. +2 your advantage is razor

thin at approx. 0.10%

You do NOT raise your bet at all at +2. If you bet your max your Risk of

Ruin will be in the suicidal 40% - 45% range I believe. Note that Hi-Lo

is a very inefficient count for the good deeply dealt DD game that you describe.

[APGuru]

I stridently disagree. The House Edge in the game you are referencing is 0.40%

I assume that as a beginner you are using Hi-Lo. At T.C. +2 your advantage is razor

thin at approx. 0.10%

You do NOT raise your bet at all at +2. If you bet your max your Risk of

Ruin will be in the suicidal 40% - 45% range I believe. Note that Hi-Lo

is a very inefficient count for the good deeply dealt DD game that you describe.

Please stop offering misguided advice. Speaking with conviction doesn't make whatever garbage you're saying accurate and all you're doing is leading these players to the slaughterhouse. True count of +2 with the rules he's referencing on a double deck is .10%? REALLY? How about you try around the 1% marker regardless of how good the pen is. Good pen will result in over a 1% edge at +2.

[Meistro123]

At TC 2 (over the course of the entire TC 2 bin) you have only a .87% advantage, so you should not bet more than $32 (5000 * %0.87 * .75). That would be a full kelly wager. Betting more than full kelly is foolish and counterproductive.

According to CVCX online for the rules you have provided advantages are :

TC 1 : 0.38%
TC 2 : 0.87%
TC 3 : 1.37%
TC 4 : 1.96%
TC 5 : 2.57%


You can use these advantages by inputting them into the formula BR * advantage * .75 to determine what your maximum bet per true count should be. This is the most you would ever want to bet, but you should not feel obligated to bet this much. You just never want to bet more than this amount.


Your CE for this gambling opportunity is only $6.18, so presumably you would be better off trying to find minimum wage employment.

[Battousai]

At TC 2 (over the course of the entire TC 2 bin) you have only a .87% advantage, so you should not bet more than $32 (5000 * %0.87 * .75). That would be a full kelly wager. Betting more than full kelly is foolish and counterproductive.

According to CVCX online for the rules you have provided advantages are :

TC 1 : 0.38%
TC 2 : 0.87%
TC 3 : 1.37%
TC 4 : 1.96%
TC 5 : 2.57%


You can use these advantages by inputting them into the formula BR * advantage * .75 to determine what your maximum bet per true count should be. This is the most you would ever want to bet, but you should not feel obligated to bet this much. You just never want to bet more than this amount.


Your CE for this gambling opportunity is only $6.18, so presumably you would be better off trying to find minimum wage employment.

Thank you so much for all the information. You've definitely taught this man to fish rather than just giving him a fish. Just curious where the .75 came from?

BR*advantage*.75

[Jack Jackson]

+1>15
+2>30
+3>30x30
+4>40x40
+5>50x50

1-6 spread..50 Max Bets!