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[Freightman]

The shoestring bankroll would favour your approach. The more bullish beefy type bankroll would favour the 2 unit long term break even wager.

Which brings up a prior discussion on floored true counts, interpolation, the difference between break even true 1.0 vs clear advantage true 1.5.

[Romes]

The shoestring bankroll would favour your approach. The more bullish beefy type bankroll would favour the 2 unit long term break even wager.

Because noooooone of us have ever over bet our bankrolls ;-)... and/or we're all "very well funded" from the start =P. Aka most counters shouldn't do it, but if you're advanced enough to understand your variance, bankroll, and RoR, then by all means.

[Freightman]

Because noooooone of us have ever over bet our bankrolls ;-)... and/or we're all "very well funded" from the start =P. Aka most counters shouldn't do it, but if you're advanced enough to understand your variance, bankroll, and RoR, then by all means.

Wise words. In other words, if you're going to raise at break even, know what you're getting into.

[Bubbles]

Which brings up a prior discussion on floored true counts, interpolation, the difference between break even true 1.0 vs clear advantage true 1.5.

There are times I raise at +1 hi-lo and other times I do not. This is mostly due to floating advantage, how close it is to being +2, and cover. +1.0 on the first round of the shoe is a lot different than +1.9 two rounds from the cut card.

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[chucky baby]

I tell all my team members to buy in for ten minimum bets, and then when the first counting bet occurs just bet all of the chips in front of you.

Chucky baby

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"when the first counting bet occurs just bet all of the chips in front of you."

Horrendously poor advice, as betting 5 or 10 or
more units with a minimal advantage is ruinous.

[sbrugby]

generally the cage does not sell chips

The poker room cage does...

Would buying in at the poker cage, and playing playing a few hands, but leaving before hitting the blinds, bring noticeable heat or unwanted attention? Does anyone on the forums have experience doing this? Poker would be +EV for me but its really boring and I know that BB and SB positions are consistent losers for every player, so avoiding them would be nice.

[weballinoutacontro]

Would buying in at the poker cage, and playing playing a few hands, but leaving before hitting the blinds, bring noticeable heat or unwanted attention? Does anyone on the forums have experience doing this? Poker would be +EV for me but its really boring and I know that BB and SB positions are consistent losers for every player, so avoiding them would be nice.

you'll definitely draw some ire from the staff

[ZeeBabar]

One of the issues with buying in small (and I buy in small) is in this scenario. You buy in with $200 at a Green Chip table, play $25 on one hand to start at the DD game. 6 rounds later, you have about $125 left in front of you, TC is slightly over 1 and you bet $50 ($75 left), you lose it but the count has now climber to TC+4 for the last round. Its the last round, TC calls for a max bet of $150+ but you have only $75 in front of you. To take your wallet out when you have chips in front of you is awkward. You now either underbet or you signal you are a CC and need money for your max bet.

I usually will just underbet. How do you handle it?

[Bubbles]

I usually will just underbet. How do you handle it?

Secret pocket chips to the rescue. If I have extra chips in my pocket, I'll dig them out and use them. Sometimes I'll just buy in because my stakes are so small potatoes no one cares. If I don't have extra chips and am playing for more than pocket lint, I do what 3 said.


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[21frogman]

At $10 table I buy in for $200; at $25 table, $3-400.

Re Zee's question, I agree with Bubbles.

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One of the issues with buying in small (and I buy in small) is in this scenario. You buy in with $200 at a Green Chip table, play $25 on one hand to start at the DD game. 6 rounds later, you have about $125 left in front of you, TC is slightly over 1 and you bet $50 ($75 left), you lose it but the count has now climber to TC+4 for the last round. Its the last round, TC calls for a max bet of $150+ but you have only $75 in front of you. To take your wallet out when you have chips in front of you is awkward. You now either underbet or you signal you are a CC and need money for your max bet.

I usually will just underbet. How do you handle it?

Always have chips to go in your pocket.

[ZeroCool]

The DD games I've simmed (H17, DAS) call for a 2 unit bet at TC +1, as there is a +0.3% advantage. Isn't software amazing?

What program did you use to sim?

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