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    Yes, I use HiOpt2 for shoes. I'm not entirely sure how to answer how it affects my mental reserves. I've never been proficient in a count without a side count or two. I sometimes have some trouble focusing and committing things to long term memory. I find side counting aces in shoes no more difficult than side counting them in pitch games. Out of curiosity, what count(s) do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenix View Post
    Yes, I use HiOpt2 for shoes. I'm not entirely sure how to answer how it affects my mental reserves. I've never been proficient in a count without a side count or two. I sometimes have some trouble focusing and committing things to long term memory. I find side counting aces in shoes no more difficult than side counting them in pitch games. Out of curiosity, what count(s) do you use?
    Ive been using hi lo and its super easy but when i start this ap in life journey on the 1st i am going to learn hi opt with ace and seven side count with shuffle tracking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustonzen View Post
    Ive been using hi lo and its super easy but when i start this ap in life journey on the 1st i am going to learn hi opt with ace and seven side count with shuffle tracking
    If you want to get into ST stick with Hilo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    If you want to get into ST stick with Hilo.
    But why? Werent you the one who said that with enough practice any count is easy, or are their other considerations?

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    It is better suited to ST and ST has a huge edge if you can still find a hand shuffled game that the shuffle is worth trying to track.

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    I cant find too many books on the subject - is snyders cookbook worth the price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenix View Post
    Or did you mean grab A is cut in half?
    Yes.

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    That really doesn't answer the question though.
    So I say that this is pseudo-tracking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustonzen View Post
    I can't find too many books on the subject - is snyders cookbook worth the price
    I sent you the "cookbook" and several related books, academic papers, etc. on ST.

    I do not have the good eyesight to assist in ST and the shuffles on the East Coast

    are not vulnerable to Shuffle-Tracking as they are too complex to track segments.

    A few years ago, a BJ team played a crummy mid-western BJ game complete with bad

    penetration and mediocre rules, but an insecure shuffle. It took almost 2 days but the

    team had cleared $950,000. That episode is privileged information.


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    I dont see anything my email is ustonzen at gmail com

    "I goin' make you proud boss"

    Im also doing hi opt 2 ace and seven side count im close to some single and double deck games and the qfit graph on hi opt2 asc vs hilo has convinced me its worth it and i need to fill my head up with something other than the constant mantras of self reproach and swimsuit catalog models

    Hiopt2 asc is fine with shuffle tracking right? Been getting some mixed answers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustonzen View Post
    I dont see anything
    Material re-sent to the correct email addy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustonzen View Post
    Hi Opt II/asc is fine with shuffle tracking, right?
    Yes it is better than fine, but ST requires only gross measures
    of accuracy to identify slugs of cards rich in Aces and Faces, so
    Hi-Opt II is "overkill" Hi-Lo is as strong as is needed for ST!

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    Overkill is exactly what im looking for.
    Does ST work for single deck or is that more an ace sequencing game?

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