BC vs PE

[Gramazeka]

I maintain that a counting system that has a large BC will always benefit from a system with a smaller BC, if there is enough spread. Do you agree?

[Gramazeka]

Omega 2 better than Hi Opt 2 ? ))

[sociology1116]

Omega 2 better than Hi Opt 2 ? ))

No HO2 is better. Omega 2 has more +/-2 values and it's complicated to use for multi decks unless you want to spend more time and resources on it even if you use it the results may not be that worth. For me HO2 worked very well for DD and SD. Make sure HO2 has Ace side counts cos both are Ace neutral counts. If you go by Omega 2 you are spending more time for almost no results. The statistics and simulations even aren't that worth when you compare Omega 2 vs HO2.

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[Gramazeka]

No HO2 is better. Omega 2 has more +/-2 values and it's complicated to use for multi decks unless you want to spend more time and resources on it even if you use it the results may not be that worth. For me HO2 worked very well for DD and SD. Make sure HO2 has Ace side counts cos both are Ace neutral counts. If you go by Omega 2 you are spending more time for almost no results. The statistics and simulations even aren't that worth when you compare Omega 2 vs HO2.

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That's bullshit. What you do not like these simulations?

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...mega-ii.20339/

The results say that the systems are practically equal. And Bryce Carlson also has his book "Blackjack for Blood".

[Gramazeka]

Does anyone have a copy Bryce Carlson "Blackjack for Blood" ?

[Gramazeka]

Why?

[Gramazeka]

And you did not try to do this comparison on computer simulations with more subtle settings? For example, reduce the deck divider or increase the spread ? You will be surprised when the Omega 2 starts winning at Hi Opt 2. EBJ 2 vs RPC is same. RAPC 71 vs Halves same...

BC is a great power!

[Jack Jackson]

And you did not try to do this comparison on computer simulations with more subtle settings? For example, reduce the deck divider or increase the spread ? You will be surprised when the Omega 2 starts winning at Hi Opt 2. EBJ 2 vs RPC is same. RAPC 71 vs Halves same...

BC is a great power!

I would guess all count have their strong points..I would even further suppose, ho2 gets a slight edge over Ao2 because it uses 15-25 more (of the extreme) indexes..Most are justified since ho2 omits the 9..Thats why you see ho2 with alot more indices vs a dealers two..The others half is just because Bryce Carlson didnt want to include plays for some of the the most extreme plays..When all becomes equal they are very very close..However i still believe Ho2 works better together as overall system, which is why it always produces an exceptional SCORE..Im a true believer that some systems just work better as a whole..An analogy of this would be like a muscle car with 800 horses but dont have a transmission to support the torgue..So keep this in mind as far as BC goes..Meaning it could be good for betting but it could also put you at higher risk..I really enjoy the analysis of count system and seeing how well the handle particular hands and bets..( I actually used Ao2 with Ace side-count for multiple decks and to be honest with you i was really disappointed on how well it handled bets)..

And as a general rule of thumb, i noticed the closer the index is to Zero(in relation to point count values) he better the system is for that particular hand..So as you see, depending on wether you play-all, rules, pen, bet spreads, bet stratetgy it all makes a difference on how well a count performs..

What at your thoughts?

[Gramazeka]

I would guess all count have their strong points..I would even further suppose, ho2 gets a slight edge over Ao2 because it uses 15-25 more (of the extreme) indexes..Most are justified since ho2 omits the 9..Thats why you see ho2 with alot more indices vs a dealers two..The others half is just because Bryce Carlson didnt want to include plays for some of the the most extreme plays..When all becomes equal they are very very close..However i still believe Ho2 works better together as overall system, which is why it always produces an exceptional SCORE..Im a true believer that some systems just work better as a whole..An analogy of this would be like a muscle car with 800 horses but dont have a transmission to support the torgue..So keep this in mind as far as BC goes..Meaning it could be good for betting but it could also put you at higher risk..I really enjoy the analysis of count system and seeing how well the handle particular hands and bets..( I actually used Ao2 with Ace side-count for multiple decks and to be honest with you i was really disappointed on how well it handled bets)..

And as a general rule of thumb, i noticed the closer the index is to Zero(in relation to point count values) he better the system is for that particular hand..So as you see, depending on wether you play-all, rules, pen, bet spreads, bet stratetgy it all makes a difference on how well a count performs..

What at your thoughts?

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...mega-ii.20339/

But on the graphs by Norm, we see a significant advantage of the system Hi Opt 2 . I'm sure this is an exaggeration.

[sociology1116]

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...mega-ii.20339/

But on the graphs by Norm, we see a significant advantage of the system Hi Opt 2 . I'm sure this is an exaggeration.

That is not and that is done on 2 billion hands played with perfect shuffle unlike the so so shuffle in casinos. Hi opt 2 performs amazingly with your indices used well. I've used many level 2-3 systems and for play and betting... For both of those HO2 is successful for me. Most players who don't use HO2 and stick to their own fav counting system talk shit about it but in real it's totally different. You'll only know it when you try it in casino.

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[sociology1116]

Does anyone ever run a sim? Or do you all just shoot from the hip with short term generalizations?

That is a proved and ran simulation. Not at all a generalisation. It is ran over 2 Billion hands of blackjack theoritically shuffled decks. It's proven. People usually hate HO2 as they use other systems and try to make it look bad just to prove that the systems they use are superior best examples are people who use Zen and Omega2. Read entire web book of qfit.... You'll know that. Read "Greatest book of blackjack by Lance humble and play blackjack like pros by Kevin. You'll know how powerful both HO1 and HO2 are in BJ world.

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[Three]

Mr. G. The chart indicates Halves is clearly the top performer. Correct?

No. The top performer is used as the 100% benchmark and that is the green line, Hiopt2/ASC. All other counts are what percentage of Hiopt2/ASC results that they perform at.

[Jabberwocky]

No sir. But I would always highly recommend running a Sim. Rules can change the outlook. Just like in sports.

Generally speaking, on the Sims I've ran, giving the 9 credit perform better than when not giving it any credit.

I don't reckon 789s in Spanish 21.