16vs10

**BJKachike** · 09-21-2017, 05:44 AM

Hi all,
I need some help with 16vs10
If I'm playing a 6 decks game with surrender, we surrender 16vs10 at TC equal or greater than -6.
https://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage258.htm
But then there is another chart that says to hit 16vs10 if TC is below 0
https://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage259.htm
My question is do I hit or surrender if the TC is below 0 ?
This is what I think.
I'll say I will have to surrender 16v10 and that I hit if I have a multi card 16 if the TC is below 0.

Now what happens if I have a multi card 16 and the TC is above 0?
Do I hit or stand?

Thanks.

**BJKachike** · 09-21-2017, 05:54 AM

What about on a 3 or more cards 16 when the TC is above 0?

Thank

**bejammin075** · 09-21-2017, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by BJKachike

What about on a 3 or more cards 16 when the TC is above 0?

Thank

With 6 decks and a counting system, don't be concerned about hand composition plays like "do this with a 3-card 16". Just use the count. With a 3-card 16, you've already taken a hit, so surrender is not an option. For the hit/stand decision, hit if you have a negative running count (no TC calculation needed for this play).

Order of decision priority:
Insurance
Surrender
Split
DD
H/S.

**paymypush** · 09-21-2017, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by BJKachike

What about on a 3 or more cards 16 when the TC is above 0?

Thank

It's close but you'd stay. Want to discuss 12 vs 4?

**Meistro123** · 09-21-2017, 06:41 AM

The surrender index takes precedence.

**jimmybond007** · 09-21-2017, 07:24 AM

Also consider that 16v10 is one of the most common match ups and a smart player can more easily be seen hitting or standing based on the count. Some players choose to stand on all 16s v 10 regardless of count so the eye or bosses cannot see you alter your play on this common hand. You probably will have a min bet out and at a really negative count you are more likely to be wonged out anyways so the cost of always standing is not much.

**NB10** · 09-21-2017, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Three

I would say almost nothing since at TC -1 it is basically a toss up and most generally wong out at TC -2.

How long do you usually give it before Wonging out? Eg do you wait for a few rounds after the TC hits -2 just to see if it recovers?

**Ustonzen** · 09-21-2017, 10:51 AM

Yeah, in an interview with a surveillance operator he described the incredibly telling act of "tunnel vision" describing this lady who would arrive at the same time on the same day of the week and make a B line for the bj table. He felt bad backing her off - hes an AP too - but her behaviour was so obvious he had no choice

**Freightman** · 09-21-2017, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Three

I believe you should never be consistent in the casino. Don't let them think they know what you are doing unless what they think isn't what you are doing. I do a lot of things at what looks like the exact wrong time to do them. Like if I am at a disadvantage or heads up I don't think it matters enough to worry about it whether I play one hand or two hands. So often I switch back and forth when the change looks like the last thing a counter would be doing. If you are predictable you won't get away with playing for very long but if they can't figure you out they will give you the benefit of doubt if they know they won't get in trouble for doing so. Getting into someone's head is tricky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPVEBAtwmg

First, the link. Classic overthink, with a large dash of irony. You thought I would say that, but change my mind, thus is the power of the inconsistent, but alas, I offer only 1 cup of poison

I occasionally make the wrong play, on purpose. Inconsistency is wise. In my case, everyone knows I'm counting, but the consensus is along the line that I'm weak, with lousy deck estimation. Given the exact same situation 2 shoes in a row, i will likely have different bets out. I'm still getting my EV, but the question is - what ramp am I on, which equates to what true count does my bet represent.

What cup of poison will you choose?

**Freightman** · 09-21-2017, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

First, the link. Classic overthink, with a large dash of irony. You thought I would say that, but change my mind, thus is the power of the inconsistent, but alas, I offer only 1 cup of poison

I occasionally make the wrong play, on purpose. Inconsistency is wise. In my case, everyone knows I'm counting, but the consensus is along the line that I'm weak, with lousy deck estimation. Given the exact same situation 2 shoes in a row, i will likely have different bets out. I'm still getting my EV, but the question is - what ramp am I on, which equates to what true count does my bet represent.

What cup of poison will you choose?

Another classic overthink - Custer's last stand.
https://youtu.be/xWGAdzn5_KU

Didn't see what Ustonzen was talking about.

**Ustonzen** · 09-21-2017, 11:39 AM

Font size A

then two globes then a picture of a tree then the cinema film then a quotation box
Its at the top where all your post options are second to last one on the far right

**Freightman** · 09-21-2017, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ustonzen

Font size A

then two globes then a picture of a tree then the cinema film then a quotation box
Its at the top where all your post options are second to last one on the far right

Simply not on my screen.