What Count System Do You Use

[umbrellaman]

After re-reading Blackjack Attack (in particular Chapter 11 - Before You Play, Know the SCORE!) I am left wondering how many solo pros use one incarnation or another of KO. The number sure seems to be small.

If HiLo and KO do in fact perform so similarly why is this the case? Ego of preferring to use a more complex count? Reluctance to memorize more bet ramps? Fear of slightly greater variance? (is this even true?). Players being uncomfortable changing their bet more often? Or simple skepticism that an unbalanced count can in fact be effective? It appears as though KO doesn't get the respect that all the sims and serious research would suggest that it deserves.

Recently I was playing heads up while deep into a shoe a pit boss waddled over and simply stood there watching me with his hands on his hips. I figured I would never step foot at that casino again so I paid him no mind and played as if I wasn't being watched at all. The count rose, I took a few quick glances at the discard tray, won all of my max bets and was backed off. Driving back to my hotel I couldn't help but wonder how much value would be gained by NEVER EVER having to so much as glance at the discard tray.


I have used HiLo (with 34 indices) for nearly two years with strong results so it is unlikely that I will change counts at this point however I would still be curious to hear from anyone who gave a serious go at using KO to hear their experiences. Thanks.

[Three]

Driving back to my hotel I couldn't help but wonder how much value would be gained by NEVER EVER having to so much as glance at the discard tray.

If you play enough you won't need to look at the discards because your feel for the cards played will be spot on. There are tricks you can use to camouflage looks to the discards. But of course they won't be discussed in the open forum.

[Freightman]

If you play enough you won't need to look at the discards because your feel for the cards played will be spot on. There are tricks you can use to camouflage looks to the discards. But of course they won't be discussed in the open forum.

This comes with seasoning, the comments are accurate. I'll have a look when there are close index plays to be made, or when max bets are on the line.

[BoSox]

Well Hiopt2/ASC bets more because of variance reduction. How much of that is from more accurate betting and how much is from more accurate play I can't tell you. Both would have tighter decision bell curves which would increase EV while decreasing variance relative to EV. That is the crucial stat. Not variance but variance relative to EV. I guess the more accurate statement is the ratio of EV to variance is increased by EV increasing at a higher rate than variance which causes larger optimal bets for the same BR, RoR and spread. The effect of the tightening of decision bell curves both increase EV while decreasing variance relative to EV. You wouldn't have the higher bets that the sim recommends without that. So while variance may not decrease variance relative to EV does.

Variance relative to EV, goodness gracious, Three, you have broken new ground. All the ten dollar table players can now suddenly play the fifty dollar tables. Everyone is now a real threat. Someone whose max bet is a hundred dollars can learn a new system, and now can bet 4, or 5 hundred without worry. I forgot there is also a bonus, every 20 or 25 hours of play there is a guaranty that you will reach EV. You SHOULD get this term Trademarked before someone else does.

[BoSox]

Who is responsible for the proliferation of 6/5 blackjack games throughout the country? The common answer that everyone would say is the greedy casino industry, well that is only a small part of it. In my opinion, the correct answer is Three, and there is around 3500 post to prove my case.

[BoSox]

Evidence is to the contrary.

Evidence on this board is overwhelming with history, that you sir are in fact, a self described braggart. No one really knows which game, or games you are in fact playing, although that is not relevant to the discussion. What is relevant to this discussion is your self described success stories that have gone on for years, that have caused much more damage to the AP community than the good that you do in fact provide.

[Ustonzen]

WTF. Is this attack Three week. You don't use one of these counts so you don't know WTF you are talking about. The that do all say what I am saying. They played simple counts as they grew up as a counter and can compare the difference. The evidence that you want to talk about something that you have no experience about is clear.
This can't be true because I never described myself as a braggart. Guess when you start talking about what you know nothing about it becomes easy to just start lying. I have talked about what I do and its results to inspire others to think outside the box. Those that have developed large advancements know better than to share them because of how opportunities have been burned and the way other people treat them when they try to help others without revealing the new way of approaching the game. Posts like yours is a prime example of why advancements are rarely shared and if shared only in a cryptic fashion.

I will say again the biggest advantage to an advanced approach is being able to get away with it which has more and more importance in todays environment.

I like you tthree - ive read every post youve made on this forum

It does seem fun to mess with you though - thats not a bad thing

[BoSox]

You don't use one of these counts so you don't know WTF you are talking about. The that do all say what I am saying. They played simple counts as they grew up as a counter and can compare the difference. The evidence that you want to talk about something that you have no experience about is clear.

I am not denying the effectiveness of your self proclaimed system, that almost no one knows anything about. I have a problem with you constantly talking about what you are doing with the system, and saying that others will be able to do this too. I am not lying. Frankly you sound like a southern preacher, who is always saying, believe, and you shall be healed.

[Ustonzen]

Has three taught his system to anyone

[Freightman]

Frankly you sound like a southern preacher, believe, and you shall be healed.

You mean, like Elmer Gantry.
https://youtu.be/amznbi0lFaU

[Ustonzen]

Embed those freighter.

Or are you too busy being the second funniest person here

[Freightman]

Embed those freighter.

Or are you too busy being the second funniest person here

It's off of an iPad. Don't think it will embed, or I don't know how.
Now as for second funniest, suppose I should scratch my balls and ponder that one. Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy my morning coffee, even though it's almost lunch.

[Three]

Has three taught his system to anyone

Yes