What Count System Do You Use

[Bigdaddy]

Only for unbalanced strategies like KO, it works.

Yes - due to the special magic of the unbalanced count's "pivot point" where RC + 4 = TC +4. In fact, that's why I use TKO - I like to use deck estimation to improve upon KO's results, but I don't have to worry about being an expert deck estimator (although I'm pretty good at it), because once I'm past the pivot point, it's only a matter of whether I'm at TC +4 or 5 or 6 or so...all basically in max bet territory.

[ferenc11]

When deciding whether to take insurance or not, do you apply true-counting as well instead of using the standard +23 RC or above (6D) BIGDADDY?
And if yes how?
Thanks

[refinery]

I started counting using REKO in part because I was intimidated by deck estimation. Deck estimation is not a big deal at all. It isn't hard, and it shouldn't be an impediment to using a true counted system.

If anyone is having a problem with deck estimation, feel free to reach out to me. Happy to share some tips.

[NB10]

I did not find CVCX or CVDATA to provide the ability to easily sim and " what if " with two bet ramps so I built my own excel system to allow such.

I wanted the ability to view both bet structures and the sim results for each AND the combined sim results and with the additional ability to play each ramps with one or two hands at each truce count and to wong in or out at each true count with a percentage. IMHO, it simplified the design task.

Results are ramps that appear to rise and fall, very often against the count movements, a nice cover.

Hi Stealth,

Would you be willing to discuss/offer advice on this offline? My email is [email protected].

[Bigdaddy]

When deciding whether to take insurance or not, do you apply true-counting as well instead of using the standard +23 RC or above (6D) BIGDADDY?
And if yes how?
Thanks

Yes - I take insurance at TKO TC +3. But I don't think you'd be giving up much (if anything) by waiting to take the insurance until you were at the +4 pivot count. In fact, some of my index sims using TKO have indicated that insurance should be taken at +4.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"ZenMaster_Flash, I would have thought you would have used the Zen count.
Did you always use such a difficult count as Hi-Opt II."

I learned the ZEN COUNT in 1985,
turned Pro in 1992, and switched
to Hi-Opt II in 1997.

Nothing difficult about Hi-Opt II.

[RCJH]

If you are doing plumbing , use plumbers tools, if you are doing heart surgery, then use surgical tools.

It depends on the game and conditions.

2D solo play HiOpt2 w/ASC and many indices. (40ish?)

6 or 8 deck Zen or HiLow, depending upon when, where, or with whom. (Heads up? Can I Wong? Do I need to pass the count to a partner?)

LOVE dynamic betting. It's a must-read.



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[stopgambling]

As Stealth implies right tool for the job.

[seriousplayer]

I learned the ZEN COUNT in 1985,
turned Pro in 1992, and switched
to Hi-Opt II in 1997.

Nothing difficult about Hi-Opt II.

The Zen Count can be used for professional blackjack, also.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"The Zen Count can be used for professional blackjack, also."

Isn't that what I just said?

What I did not elaborate upon was what my earnings looked like.

In order for my skills to pay my bills without 'pinching pennies,' I
needed the greater power of Hi-Opt II. With the Zen Count I was
struggling to do live comfortably.

[albee]

Nice job Z.....you don't get the credit you deserve. Nice gain in recreational play.....

[NB10]

It depends on the game and conditions.

2D solo play HiOpt2 w/ASC and many indices. (40ish?)

6 or 8 deck Zen or HiLow, depending upon when, where, or with whom. (Heads up? Can I Wong? Do I need to pass the count to a partner?)

LOVE dynamic betting. It's a must-read.



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Do you use his dynamic betting system when you are playing? If you do, do you keep separate bankrolls or just operate with one large one and use that for both bet ramps?

[moses]

Wong Halves. Perfect Insurance. Why would you ask?

The main problem with the count debate is there is no end. There cannot possibly be an end without a beginning. The answer is within each individual. But it's not difficult with a step by step process.

Are you a thinker?

A. Skipper's racquet costs $2 less than Pooch's racquet? What is the cost?

B. Pooch's racquet costs $3 plus ½ the cost of Callie's racquet. What is the cost?
C. Callie's racquet costs $2 more than Holly's racquet. What is the cost?
D. Holly's racquet costs $6

Your ability to quickly solve these equations may well speak to your blackjack counting ability. There is nothing wrong with Hi Lo. The wrong is to discourage those capable of more by knowing the SCORE. Especially, with the tools available from Norm.

The SCORE from a simulation is real great. However, the mission is to keep it “real” instead of great. A great SCORE reflects a game of cards played by people. Remember you are playing a game of people with cards. There is no greater tool to compare tag values than CV Data. So, rather than start from one and working your way up? Consider starting at the topand working your way back to your comfort level.

Wong Halves offers the most streamlined approach because you only have to remember one number. If you can remember two, then Perfect Insurance is second in line. Now, you are working with a 994 BC, 565 PE and 1000 IC. In worst case scenario, if your lose the 2nd count, your IC is still 725. It may be possible to adjust the tag values to get a higher SCORE. But consider this your starting point as opposed to the end result. Most will tag variations will run about the same in a sim. But sometimes there is that one that stands out by 10%. A streamlined approach without the bottleneck is the way to the most efficient structure to YOUR game.

Good engineers understand complex equations. Great engineers make complex equations simple again.
Stanford Wong is the epitome of this statement with Wong Halves in relation to the effect of removal study by Peter Griffin.
Don S is the epitome of this statement with the Sweet 16 and Fab 4.
Norm is the epitome of the this statement with his software products.

Casino tolerance is the primary consideration because EV is always $0 if you are not allowed to play. So when selecting the data for your sim, do not include an index that will get you kicked out, shuffled up on, or incur wrath from others at the table. Most realize betting strategy increases should not exceed casino tolerance. But few consider the frequency of bet increases will draw attention as well. A 10% frequency should keep you under the radar and still make a pitch game worthwhile. This is a key barometer when comparing tag values and systems. The beauty in CV Data is it shows you how to win without all the glitter. Don't forget to have fun!

Casino Verite is a mirror as to how you perform at your game. Play the same way you play in a casino.

The long run is about 59% probability after 10 hours or about 1000 hands; 75% probability after 100 hours or 10,000 hands. 94% after 500 hours 50,000 hands. 99% after 1000 hours 100,000 hands.

So, in order for you to see yourself in the mirror, about 10K hands puts you in pretty good shape. A commitment of 10 hours per day and 100 hands per hour is far more prudent than grinding out lessons with your hard earned dollars. Two weeks and you've learned more about yourself and the game than most guys in 6 months of casino play.