cover play, stand on a pair of 6 vs dealer's 5

[ellenc]

Stand on a pair of 6 vs dealer's 5, not split , is this a good cover play? 12 vs 5 is a stand according to the basic strategy anyway.

[NB10]

Stand on a pair of 6 vs dealer's 5, not split , is this a good cover play? 12 vs 5 is a stand according to the basic strategy anyway.

With 6,6 I believe it would be less costly to deviate from BS (ie not to split) vs a dealer 2/3/4 than vs a 5.

[ZeeBabar]

Dumb cover play. Especially when red chipping.

[Renzey]

Stand on a pair of 6 vs dealer's 5, not split , is this a good cover play? 12 vs 5 is a stand according to the basic strategy anyway.

With DAS in a shoe game, splitting 6/6 vs. 5 is an 8% gainer. Standing is a 15% loser. Giving away 21% on a hand is way too much for a cover play. There are lots of dumb looking cover plays down in the 1% to 3% range.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

" ... splitting 6/6 vs. 5 is an 8% gainer. Standing is a 15% loser. Giving away 21% on a hand is way too much for a cover play."

While Renzey, et al know that a cover play should cost you very little,

e.g. always hitting 16 vs 10, standing on A7 vs. Ace, Hitting A4 vs 4 and

Ace 2 vs 5 taking insurance with a hand of 20, 19, or 11 at a True Count

a TC notch below what you are using are the best examples of cover play.

Incidentally, what is the expectation of hitting 12 vs. 5 in a S17 game?

Renzey has made an error (see above) because the player failing to split

6's vs. a dealer 5 is 'costing themselves' the difference in expectations

between splitting and standing. The difference in the example given is

7% NOT 21%. In any case, Renzey has correctly pointed out that for a

'cover play' to be correct needs to cost the player VERY little.

Had the O.P. referred to 6-6 vs 4 this thread would be a more "teachable moment."

[Renzey]

Renzey has made an error (see above) because the player failing to split

6's vs. a dealer 5 is 'costing themselves' the difference in expectations

between splitting and standing. The difference in the example given is

7% NOT 21%.

Standing is minus EV. Splitting is plus EV. The difference between them is their absolute sum. Still, I did make an error. With DAS you go from minus 15% to plus 11%, rather than to plus 8%. Sorry.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

15% to plus 11%, rather than to plus 8%.

-15% to +11% is a profound 26% swing.
A Green chipper with one chip bet has
unwittingly cost themselves > $6.50

[DSchles]

I bet you are both glad you don't need to do the math to get the gain. LoL

Not to mention that the original 8% winner to 15% loser was not a 21% differential, as stated, but rather 23%!!

Don

[DSchles]

That was my point. Neither one had the math right. Perhaps that wasn't as obvious as I thought it was. Jokes suck when you have to explain them.

It wasn't obvious because each had already admitted to an error other than that one.

Don

[Ustonzen]

I foresee a dark new way for threads to become derailed

What rough pedant
Its hour come round at last
Slouches towards bethelem to be born