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  1. 03-27-2016, 08:20 PM #1
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    Probably already talked about

    Is there anyway to beat CSM's?
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  2. 03-27-2016, 09:07 PM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar21 View Post
    Is there anyway to beat CSM's?
    Yes, however it is extremely conditional and your time would most certainly be better spent elsewhere.
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  3. 03-28-2016, 10:33 AM #3
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    CSM dealt BJ often comes with extremely good rules, generating a House Advantage that is quite modest.

    As a result, these tables can be used if one wishes to "play for comps", but they are not truly exploitable.
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  4. 03-28-2016, 12:14 PM #4
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    Everything is exploitable. Grossjean appears to drive this point home in Beyond Counting, it's not always about researching "how has this game been beat" but standing in front of the game and asking yourself "How can I beat this game?"

    Perhaps you need a special promotion.
    Perhaps you need a special rebate.
    Perhaps you need special rules.
    Perhaps you need a special dealer.
    Perhaps you need advanced knowledge of the inner workings of the CSM's.
    Perhaps you need a certain amount of cards to hit the discard tray.

    ...There's a lot more. Stand in front of the game and just think... What would need to happen for me to beat this game?
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  5. 03-28-2016, 02:28 PM #5
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    If you're talking about the One2Six, yes it is beatable.
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  6. 03-28-2016, 02:41 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    If you're talking about the One2Six, yes it is beatable.
    Is it as beatable as counting a non-CSM?
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  7. 08-30-2017, 12:08 PM #7
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    Hello Norm,

    Could you please explain in more detail how the one2six machine can be beatable? I think you mentioned that this has probably been talked about in other posts, but I haven't been any to find any that explained it in much detail. Specifically, do you have an idea as to what is the latency of redistribution of the one2six machine? Aside from the buffer of cards waiting in the queue or chute for the dealer to deal (and I have counted this as being up to 16 cards), is it possible for a card that was fed from a previously played round to re-emerge right after this buffer queue?
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  8. 08-30-2017, 12:26 PM #8
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    Sorry, can't talk about that. I will say that it is possible for a card from the previous round to show up in the next round in the right circumstances.
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  9. 08-30-2017, 02:33 PM #9
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    Has anyone ever been backed off a CSM dealt game? It wouldn't surprise me given the mentality of some casinos. We already know that non counters get backed off.
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  10. 08-30-2017, 02:35 PM #10
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    Yes. There was even a court case over the backoff as it was in a country that didn't allow backoffs without reason.

    But then, I'm sure every game has experienced backoffs.
    Last edited by Norm; 08-30-2017 at 02:40 PM.
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  11. 09-02-2017, 05:04 PM #11
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    Norm,
    I too believe the 2tosix CSM's can be beaten. I don't want to divulge too much information either. But possibly we could share information. Please email me at [email protected]
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    Sure, CSMs can be beaten but not for very much. Mostly for comp value.
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  13. 09-03-2017, 08:58 PM #13
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    Norm,
    Thanks for the reply. Sorry to press, but is the probability of re-emergence of a card in a subsequent round lower than for another card which had not come out in a previous round? Or is it equally probable? Is there any particular reason why you cannot discuss this? Can I email you offline? I haven't figured out yet how to do private messages here.

    Thanks
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