Scenario....
On a recent trip I was playing heads up. Last deal of the shoe I have my max bet on the felt. The TC is through the roof I get a 4 and a 2. Dealer shows a 6. I double and pull a 10 for 16. Dealer turns over a 10, pulls another 10 and busts.
Although I won, was that a bad idea?
Extremely.Originally Posted by FerrisB
Did you consider the heat from this play too? You just happen to have a large bet out at the end of the shoe, double down on the most unorthodox hand...and the dealer just happens to flip two pictures. It's a massive, MASSIVE red flag for the pit.
All depends upon how you define through the roof, and your aversion to risk. Making that play, of course with your max bet out, the eye is going to see either an idiot, or a card counter, as there is no other choice, the play will surely get noticed.
That seems like a pretty conservative comment for you
It takes balls to make that play, but there is an index for it. I think it's about +12 or 13, though I would want to know the side ace Situation. The count that's required would almost alwatpys be at the end of the shoe. I once doubled a3 v 2. Got a few looks on that one, especially since I won. You get those weirdos every so often.
Just +9 actually to double 7 vs 5 or 6. The dealer, a young attractive female, was positively mortified by my play. I ended up losing the hand but booked a nice win for the day (recouping my previous day's losses and then some) and eventually being told to leave the casino although not quite backed off. It was really a dream session. A great game, 6 decks, 1 deck cut off, ES10, H17, DAS, DA2, RSA and mostly heads up play. Great penetration and rapid game speed give you a lot more opportunity to employ some of the more esoteric indexes.I think it's about +12 or 13
Last edited by Meistro123; 07-29-2017 at 09:05 AM.
I wasn't too concerned about losing this location. It is in Vegas and had pretty good rules in the past. The discard tray has a cut notch and they gave you about 75% of the cards in the past. This trip the cut gave you just over half, maybe 60% of the cards. Disappointed by their greed I had no qualms about burning them. I played less than 30 minutes and bolted. I doubt I will return.
Freightman's calculation of the index to double is about right, in that +12, +13 range. There are also some deck composition particulars that would indicate being well into the zone to double, so it's a matter of what "through the roof" consists of. I run into that scenario and I would double it.
If you have too much attention on how you are playing your hands, or the pit supervisor standing there attentively... it's possible you've already stayed longer than you should anyway, maybe they are not your friends but think about it, the last hand of the shoe? Announce you are going to go full fucking mental patient and double it because it's the last hand of the shoe... and you always win on the last hand of the shoe, or something equally stupid. If they already think you a deranged gambler, why the hell not. These people have seen it all as far as whacked out gamblers doing really stupid things, and depending upon where you're at they are fairly numb to it. They eye up chips a lot closer than they monitor any playing decision you might make. If I'm far enough into the zone to double and there are no issues doing it, I do it. If you have the dealer, plus two more pit people watching the table intently, then...
Because casinos management teams are so idiotic, and stupid, they very well may think that by their own paranoia with using real poor cut card placements for safety, is also a form of greed and will in fact make them more money. Correct that 99.99999999999999% of their pigeons that frequent the casinos know absolutely nothing about cut card placement, and are going to play regardless anyway. However, it is too damn hard for casinos to reason, and is completely over their managements teams heads that by always constantly re-shuffling cards is in fact a MONEY KILLER FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
Last edited by BoSox; 07-30-2017 at 06:17 AM.
Doubling a 6 sounds very aggressive. If you are going to pull these sorta of plays off you may consider throwing a few of then in with smaller bets out, do it on your min bets occasional. There is a cost to this but only you can decide if its necessary and if the cost is worth any heat deflection it may give. I think the right act can let you pull off some of these "crazy" plays.... be creative.
the cost for doubling 6v6 at TC 0 is more than a quarter of a bet. You shouldn't really be using any cover at all because most of the time casino staff can't tell a good play from a bad play anyway so you are just wasting your money. besides if someone is hawking your game that knows what to look for a few cover plays aren't going to fool them.
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