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    My Stats professor was teaching at more than one university at the time.
    He told me that had I been his student in either of the two classes
    (that I took with him) that he was teaching at M.I.T. or at Harvard I would
    have simply FLUNKED !

    The following year I faced a crisis. I was young but my wife was yet a teenager
    and when Dr. Igor Kusyszyn wanted to chair my Doctoral Dissertation in Canada
    at York University in Downview, Ontario (soon to be in Toronto) I had to say no
    as my beloved bride was very upset with the idea of moving to Canada.

    Of course many of us got to know him as Lance Humble, a blackjack pioneer.
    That was in the very early 70's ~ just before he turned his gaze from Harness
    Racing to Blackjack!

    Hi flash

    I just wonder whats the best possible EV unit\hour can be achieved for a real good professional player. I understand it depends on many things like betting spread, back count, etc, im thinking if in the long run without get back out by too many casinos, whats the best possible hourly EV can possibly be achieved.

    Thx



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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi flash

    "I just wonder whats the best possible EV unit\hour can be achieved for a real good professional player.
    I understand it depends on many things like betting spread, back count, etc,
    im thinking if in the long run
    without
    get back out by too many casinos, whats the best possible hourly EV can possibly be achieved"
    Your question is absolutely impossible to answer. You can have years where you'll be hoping to "break even."
    You'll have years where a (very) low Six Figures in net earnings may happen. There are numerous facts that
    an amateur like yourself must understand. Firstly, it is clear to anyone who was playing BJ in the mid 19th
    century that every year it becomes harder to succeed. The Game Conditions worsen. The casinos now make
    a tiny fraction of their net earnings from Blackjack. They only keep the games going because older patrons
    expect it and tourists and weekend warriors will play crowded 8 deck tables that are H17. Earning a living
    means $35,000 per annum to some people, while others will feel that they require double that to live any
    comfortable lower-middle-class existence. Anyone who answers your query with actual figures is not remotely
    knowledgeable. The answers are NOT mathematical, but they are matters of economics.

    I am glad that I am over 70 and only play blackJack a few days a month nowadays. The future looks ghastly.

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    "I am glad that I am over 70 and only play blackJack a few days a month nowadays. The future looks ghastly." and yet no one says this to all the newbie's falling for the hype from movies to YouTube.

    We see them fail and we suggest a higher count and more practice, then we ask if they are side counting Aces and then we get a couple starting to talk about bins and columns...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    "I am glad that I am over 70 and only play blackJack a few days a month nowadays. The future looks ghastly." and yet no one says this to all the newbie's falling for the hype from movies to YouTube.

    We see them fail and we suggest a higher count and more practice, then we ask if they are side counting Aces and then we get a couple starting to talk about bins and columns...


    Have to agree with you on that one. Just relax, scratch your balls - you'll relax soon enough - oh - by the way - the spread is your friend

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    and yet no one says this to all the newbie's falling for the hype from movies to YouTube.
    I do not think you give potential future APs enough credit. The people you are concerned about are the same folks who would not have made it during earlier years either. I remember people falling for the hype during the years of casino openings in AC. Guess what, even in the days of early surrender - I saw people go bust and quit in disgust and disappointment. Those were the folks not meant to walk this road. The doom and gloom crowd was very vocal when AC got rid of ES. I ignored them and decided to learn a more advanced count to counter their strategy. Others just quit. Things have become more difficult, but casinos have not yet figured out how to stop all opportunities. Young folks coming along will have to learn more, but so what? That is the way of the world, why should this be any different? Those who are lured by the thought of easy money were never designed for this. Any idiot show know that if it were easy; a lot of folks would not go to work at their present jobs. I do not think the newer players need the protection you seem to think they need. They just need to seek out information and advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Firstly, it is clear to anyone who was playing BJ in the mid 19th
    century that every year it becomes harder to succeed. The Game Conditions worsen. The casinos now make
    a tiny fraction of their net earnings from Blackjack. The future looks ghastly.
    Is anyone who played in the mid 19th century alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    Is anyone who played in the mid 19th century alive?
    Doubtful. I think he means 20th century. Some of them are still kicking ^_^. It's so confusing with the 1900's being 20th and not 19th. Whoever decided that is annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    My Stats professor was teaching at more than one university at the time.
    He told me that had I been his student in either of the two classes
    (that I took with him) that he was teaching at M.I.T. or at Harvard I would
    have simply FLUNKED !

    The following year I faced a crisis. I was young but my wife was yet a teenager
    and when Dr. Igor Kusyszyn wanted to chair my Doctoral Dissertation in Canada
    at York University in Downview, Ontario (soon to be in Toronto) I had to say no
    as my beloved bride was very upset with the idea of moving to Canada.

    Of course many of us got to know him as Lance Humble, a blackjack pioneer.
    That was in the very early 70's ~ just before he turned his gaze from Harness
    Racing to Blackjack!

    Thx, i see you are using hiopt2 count with side count Ace, im using basic hi-lo right now, i think i be able to count 100% correctly after a year of practice. Do you think i should start upgrade to the more powerful hiopt2 with side count ace?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenix View Post
    It's so confusing with the 1900's being 20th and not 19th. Whoever decided that is annoying.
    It has to be that way. The years 0-99AD were the 1st century, the years 100-199 the second century and so on. Otherwise the years 0-99 would have to be the 0th century which makes no sense at all.

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    I remember I was really confused on Ianuarius I, 99 BC.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    I remember the panic over the Y0k computer glitch ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    "Do you think I should upgrade to the more powerful hiopt2?"
    YES. Immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    YES. Immediately.
    Does he not have to have a reason first? What is his win rate and experience with basic HiLo for example? Why did he start to learn basic HiZlo if he was not going to play with it?

    Its like a Honda owner asking a Ferrari owner if he should switch to a Ferrari.

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