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    How would gaming be designed to be successful?
    I would offer frequent, small incentives to get people through the door. An example would be earn 100 points get a free buffet. A few AP's would get cheap food, the ploppies would start playing for the free food and not stop until they lost more than the free buffet they wanted.

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    What would your blackjack offerings be? Please "make your case" for your recommendation.
    6D H17, DAS, RSA, Ls, 85% pen, no spreading to more hands mid-shoe, with table limits 5-200$ on the main floor. I would have one or two side bet tables with multiple side bets, like as many as I could stuff on it for the side bet loving ploppies. I think I'd offer lucky ladies, lucky lucky, the bust one, and match the dealer. The other tables would not have side bets. I don't know if I'd do hand shuffle or ASM, depends on if the time saved is worth the expensive price to rent the ASM. If my casino was in an area I might have enough people wanting to bet more, I'd have a high limit room of 25-1000$, same rules or maybe S17 with no Ls. I'd have good rules to keep the ploppies happy and coming to my casino. They'll lose their money slower, so they'll be more inclined to come. Decent pen offered because unless I have a hoard of proficient counters at my tables day in and day out, which is very unlikely, the pen will make more for the casino due to less time spent shuffling.

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    What other things would you do that is different from the current masses?
    I wouldn't take countermeasures against counters on the main floor. In the high limit, I would cap them at 300$ aggregate bet. As long as people are on slots, the casino is making money. The table rules will keep the locals happy and the counters and trackers from making too big of a dent in the bottom line.

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    How would you pay your dealers and pit managers?
    I would not allow tokes. I would pay my employees a competitive wage with decent benefits where they wouldn't have to rely on getting players to toke them.

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    Why do you think these things would be profitable with suitable returns to your investors?
    The casino is still making money. The dealers make the same, just instead of it coming from the hold and the tokes, it only comes from the hold. The ploppies would have bet and lost the tokes anyway, so in the end it works out about the same. It may even be a good marketing tool. Restaurants that don't allow tips are making the news and seem to be doing well.

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    Do you think your financial performance would match or exceed current casinos with a financially normalized comparison?
    I think it would match my competitors, unless my casino was the far better choice. If every other casino had terrible rewards clubs and 6/5 tables, mine would do better.

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    Do you think our casino "friends" who toll these pages will find these answers helpful, insightful or a joke?
    I think there would be a mix. The ones who detest AP's would find this a joke, no matter how meaningful. Some might find it helpful or insightful if we come up with some unique marketing ideas. I hope they'll truly evaluate the cost of everything and make informed decisions.

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    Do you think casinos have proforma estimates for the cost of countermeasures against AP's?
    With as paranoid as some of them are, I doubt it. If the casinos worried half as much about the AP's selling them countermeasures as they do the AP's on the tables, they would lose a lot less money. No matter how useful snake oil has the potential to be, it is still snake oil.

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    Are there other relevant questions?
    If I owned a casino, are there any laws against playing at it?
    Can a pit boss kick me out of a casino if I own it?
    Can I be trespassed from my own property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenix View Post
    ... 6D H17, DAS, RSA, Ls, 85% pen, no spreading to more hands mid-shoe, with table limits 5-200$ on the main floor?
    $200 limits on main floor....LMAO....r u from the midwest???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    $200 limits on main floor....LMAO....r u from the midwest???
    If it was higher, I'd want to take more countermeasures against counters, which I'm opposed to doing. If I offer a game with rules that make it beatable, it's not appropriate to be a sore loser and kick anyone out that can beat me. I'd offer the game and accept the consequences. 200 and 300$ limits aren't too uncommon in some areas. And no, I'm not from the mid west.

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