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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Thanks man, i was waiting for this clear answer, i think i will bet more confident now


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    This is going to sound snarky but based on your posts you are missing some fundamental knowledge of the game. You should go back to some books and try to understand the game better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    This is going to sound snarky but based on your posts you are missing some fundamental knowledge of the game. You should go back to some books and try to understand the game better.
    Could you tell me what is it, thanks alot


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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Your bet ramp is inaccurate for Hi-Lo system.
    Hi

    What do you mean by inaccurate for hi lo system


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Leaving NO uninformed amateur behind
    ...

    The Level of a Count is delineated by the tag value

    assigned (specifically) to the Face Cards and Tens.

    Level 3 and Level 4 counts are "not worth the effort"

    as they are superseded by the two best Level 2 Counts,

    namely Hi-Opt II and Advanced Omega, between which

    there is hardly an R C H of difference, though Hi-Opt II

    still reigns supreme in reference to all 'practical' counts.

    Hi

    I only know basic hi lo system, i dont know about hi opt II or anything. is there any problem with my betting flow?

    Thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Images assume HiLo full index.

    So, the first image is my design system, takeoff from cvcx, that shows the game and bank assumptions but proposes a different and faster bet ramp that spreads to 2 spots at positive and wongs out at 98% of all TC-1 or worse. This is a much stronger game that almost doubles your EV per round.

    CVCX is the basis for these calculations (images) and you should consider buying it for your own use.

    I GIVE UP ON PUTTING IMAGES IN POST. TRIED TO RESIZE AND LOSE RESOLUTION.

    SORRY....
    Im too new with those number, even i buy it i cant understand how to use them


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    Here is my advice. If you are just starting out hi-low is just fine as a counting system. Don't listen to others that you need a higher count system. First you have to master a counting system and get some wins under your belt.

    It appears to me that you are sweating the large bets. Why don't you shorten you betting ramp and get your max bet out at TC5. Also using a betting spread of 1 to 12 or 1 to 16 will lower your variance. For a beginner a $300 bet can be scary. Here is a 1 to 12 betting ramp from BJRM for min $15 bet.
    TC 1 $15
    TC 2 $30
    TC 3 $60
    TC 4 $90
    TC 5 $180

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Leaving NO uninformed amateur behind
    ...

    The Level of a Count is delineated by the tag value

    assigned (specifically) to the Face Cards and Tens.

    Level 3 and Level 4 counts are "not worth the effort"

    as they are superseded by the two best Level 2 Counts,

    namely Hi-Opt II and Advanced Omega, between which

    there is hardly an R C H of difference, though Hi-Opt II

    still reigns supreme in reference to all 'practical' counts.

    Disagree that a level 3 count is not worth the effort. I don't disagree that Hi-Opt II and Advanced Omega are stronger, but these counts require a side count of Aces which make them very difficult. Halves is a level 3 count and it is a single parameter count meaning it doesn't require any side count of aces as it is ace reckoned. Everybody thinks halves is difficult because it uses fractions. It is just a matter of getting use to adding fractions. I think the difficulty of halves is overrated.

    Also the level of a count is determined by its tag values, but not just the value assigned to tens and aces, but the value assigned to all its tags. Halves counts the 5 as a tag of 1.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Here is my advice. If you are just starting out hi-low is just fine as a counting system. Don't listen to others that you need a higher count system. First you have to master a counting system and get some wins under your belt.

    It appears to me that you are sweating the large bets. Why don't you shorten you betting ramp and get your max bet out at TC5. Also using a betting spread of 1 to 12 or 1 to 16 will lower your variance. For a beginner a $300 bet can be scary. Here is a 1 to 12 betting ramp from BJRM for min $15 bet.
    TC 1 $15
    TC 2 $30
    TC 3 $60
    TC 4 $90
    TC 5 $180
    Thanks for the advice


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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    " ... a side count of Aces which make them very difficult."

    " ... the level of a count is determined by its tag values,
    but not just the value assigned to tens and aces, but the
    value assigned to all its tags."
    There is nothing difficult about side-counting Aces.

    The second quote, above, makes no sense at all.

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    Stealth,

    Switch to a mono-spaced San Serif typeface like COURIER.

    Switch to a mono-spaced San Serif typeface like COURIER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    There is nothing difficult about side-counting Aces.
    Depends on the person. Most find ace side-counts quite difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi

    What do you mean by inaccurate for hi lo system


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    In the sense that your bet ramp is not optimal. Or in other words, it is not proportional to the advantage for the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    In the sense that your bet ramp is not optimal. Or in other words, it is not proportional to the advantage for the players.
    Could you advice what is correct bet ramp please. Thx


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