Being a dealer is indeed a "service job."
Those who fail to fathom that simple fact
have never driven a taxi or waited on tables.
Dealing is a genuinely poor job, what with
dealing with the public and taking guff from
superiors. The employee must be SERVILE !
Most dealers earn between $14 and $21 hourly.
They often work two casinos or have partners
who are also working in the "gaming industry."
Your right, I have never drove a taxi or waited on tables, but that has nothing to do with dealers being a service job. The only thing that could be used to deem this a service job, is that the casinos try and pay as little as possible, so the dealers hustle tips. A little similar to some third world police forces, they get underpaid, so when you get stopped by them, you give them a tip( bribe), and things are okay. So, you are telling me that these cops are also in the service industry? What service do the dealers do for the players, give them a ride around the casino, or maybe serve hotdogs, NO!!! I almost forgot, they relieve you of your money, thx but no thx, that's a service I can do without.
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A pit critter may be heard, chirping to a whining ploppy,Originally Posted by CanadaKevinB
"We don't take your money. You give it to us!"
That is true. Gambling, substance abuse, and prostitution
are the most ancient of non-survival (male) activities.
If you are politically left you believe that the public must
be protected by such predation. If you are politically right
you may feel that the public will always be self-destructive
and needs little or no protection from capitalism-at-large.
The service performed by dealers is simply that they are
dealing the game that people are choosing to play.
Flash, this is off topic of this thread, but I was wondering If I could speak with you with questions I have about switching to hi-opt 2. Could I send you an email or should I give you mine? I do not have a PM subscription.
I agreed with this reasoning. the only thing is it is a cultural thing to tip the dealers . Not tipping otherwise would draw attention and grief from all sides . from an AP perspective that is not good. Therefore, I tip ( get robbed by) the dealer.If I play as a ploppy i would not care to tip anything . They simply don't give a rats ass about me ,except to benefit from me.
Last edited by stopgambling; 05-16-2017 at 09:33 AM.
Don't you tip your doorman, garbage collectors, cab drivers, bellhops, skycaps, limo drivers, hunting guides, the crew on a charter boat, the maid that cleans up after you in a hotel, etc. I know I never have interaction with my garbagemen but they take out anything I put on the curb because I tip them each a $20 bill once a year. The stiffs that live around me are lucky if they pick up the stuff they are supposed to pick up at the curb. And I put out lots and lots of things that are not supposed to be picked up, are overweight, not contained properly. They take away quite a number of deer carcasses a year. My neighbor never gets his deer carcasses picked up so he dumps them along a nearby low traffic road. If I had to take all that stuff to the dump it would cost me over an hour driving time and expenses plus $8 per visit and the amount of time waiting in line. I figure I save lots of money every year with the $60 tips.
The same is true about dealers. They can help you get to were you want to be faster by giving the service you desire even if their employer doesn't think you can get it. I can get a faster game, deeper pen, better error options because the dealer will finish dealing the hand before calling the Floor, help keeping other players off the table, possibly more dealer errors because they decide not to correct them if they figure them out before removing the cards, intentional dealer tells if they see a card that I didn't that was about to be delivered, the dealers not ratting me out for being an AP, and a better attitude form the dealer just by making minor tokes. The gain from the investment of tips to get the service I desire far outweighs the cost of the tips. You can take whatever crappy service a stressed out low income earner chooses to have or do something about it by using the art of dealing with people to get what you want.
I can train a dog, hamster, squirrel, rat, chimpanzee, or any other animal to do what I want by associating the behavior with getting what they want and I can't even talk to them. How much easier is it to train a human being with half or more of their income relying on tips? They are constantly trying to figure out what will help them get more tips. Don't make it hard to figure out without making the reasons obvious. Eventually the dealer figures out the entire list will get them tips and give me as much as they are comfortable giving. Believe me I ave dealers that know if they have BJ before they check and are not subtle about letting me know whether I should take insurance. It is much, much more accurate than an insurance index. I have dealers that pull cards early and make it obvious what you should do. Some even tell me the card without actually telling me the card. When you get big bets out the EV for these kinds of things is huge. Some dealers won't give me anything from the list either because I can't train them or they won't do it. They don't get tips. Once a dealer is trained they will usually train the other dealers for you if they share tokes. If it is a keep your own tokes local they won't share info in the hopes that you will follow them around and tip them.
You are being absurd. I clearly noted what their earnings are, and benefits are poor to non-existent.
I have known servers in upscale restaurants that earn 6 figure incomes. Cocktail waitresses can earn
at that level as well. NOT dealers. They cannot. "Fancy" cars? I have seen poor blue-collar people "on
the dole" with expensive "stuff" and I assume that you have too.
The service performed by dealers is simply that they are
dealing the game that people are choosing to play.
A person simply dealing a game is not doing a service, they are doing a job. If no one sits at their table, they are still considered a dealer, but is anyone walking by going to give them a tip? Sometimes you hear how the dealer gave someone $10,000 and never got tipped. Well, let's call a spade a spade, if any dealer wants to give me 10k, I will gladly give them 5k. When I win 10k, it is because I won, and the dealer lost, and they gave me nothing!!!
That being said about them being a service to me; I would have to agree that tips can get you things from some dealers, but it would be a bribe.
333 is right, not so much about tipping those people, but more about showing that you appreciate their effort.
Last edited by pilotzone; 05-16-2017 at 11:37 AM.
It is a fact that i have seen , it may not be on a generally true but i have seen and bumped into at least 4 to 5 , never mind the ones that i have not seen. i am talking about 60k to 80k cars . well the slot dept is "worst" hitting 6 figures for over at least a decade . it is well known fact. i respect you and greatly appreciated your help and offer but i will try to give my opinions and my observations even when our views are different. again no disrespect to you. anyway, excuse my poor english and grammar etc..
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