The article with the above title is in the latest Blackjack Insider. My subscription has expired so I could not read it.
Anyone read it? Is he saying the casinos should not worry about AP's or that AP's are losers or what?
The article with the above title is in the latest Blackjack Insider. My subscription has expired so I could not read it.
Anyone read it? Is he saying the casinos should not worry about AP's or that AP's are losers or what?
Basically the former. He elaborates on the fact that a very small percentage of players come into a casino with a form of basic strategy, and an even slimmer percentage come in with accurate counting abilities. The surveillance companies use fear of losing money to get the casinos on board with their services. But because of the small percentage of AP's coming around, they are losing money in the long run.
I am convinced that many small town casinos have elected to forego constant surveillance. Mediocre rules and pen is sufficient with Pit on the lookout for big spreaders and winners. Why pay $30-$40k on salary for a surveillance guy? Who would travel to a casino, miles away from the next to play an H17, DD game with D on 9-11, no DAS or a 6 deck H17, no S and a 1.5+ deck cut off?
The rare ones who do would last 30 minutes.
There are a lot of ways for casinos to deal with counters. The absolute stupidest way is to reduce penetration on games. The rounds lost per hour (24/7) cost the casino way more than the occasional winning AP. The casinos are so inept, they think they have to turn all their games to sh...t just to keep the boogie-man away.
What's so hard about identifying a guy who's displaying signs of counting, evaluating his play and then backing off if deemed a threat?
If a casino had deep pen, good rules, and didn't care about "the occasional counter", I guarantee counters are going to start flocking there and putting in the hours. Sure, one counter making $1k/wk in EV isn't bad for the casino.....but if they do nothing about it, it's gonna turn into 15 counters each making $10k/wk in EV.
I'm not sure about the whole pen thing, either. On busy nights when it's standing room only, sure, I get that. But many places aren't jam packed most of the time. Deeper pen could mean fewer players playing because they lose their money quicker....empty tables means fewer players will sit down to play (they'd rather play at a full table). Not that this is the direct reason for shitty pen, but it's a side effect that I think can benefit the casino in the proper circumstances.
"Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]
It is sad that the AP's you know would share info about their best finds that would result in burning their best opportunities. I know of many that cut off 1/2 deck from the shoe. One backs off quickly but most let you play as long as you aren't too obvious like using the count they use to catch you.Originally Posted by RollingStoned
Last edited by Three; 05-01-2017 at 11:55 PM.
There's a particular reservation store, not far from where I live. A few others have been bounced, though I've continued to play nice. That being said, they still go ape shit when I'm spotted, which doesn't take long. Countermeasures are immediately instituted, which include 2.5-3 decks to be cut, instructions to dealers to deal slow.
Why I play this crap, is I still beat them, can drive to fairly quickly - with generally the dumbest dealers on earth, who don't know what 2.5 decks cut look like, can't count to 21, and when told to deal slow assume I'm a simpleton and speed up as as soon as I encourage them.
I didn't say nor imply what I or the AP's I know would do or share. If there's a good opportunity, especially a card-counting play, people are going to find out about the game. They'll find out themselves by scouting, playing, and realizing there's no heat....or they'll get called in by a teammate.....or they'll get called in by someone in their network and they'll strike a deal.
So I don't really buy the "they shouldn't worry about that 1 player"....because guess what -- there isn't just one AP going after a game.
Saying shit like this is why half the forum probably has you blocked.
"Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]
It's what I have seen. The people that use counts too similar to catchers talk about how sweaty a place is and get the tap spreading far less than my team and in short order while we play and get the red carpet treatment. I am sure they know I count but they think I am the craziest and dumbest counter around because they don't understand what I do. From their system's perspective, I do all kinds of totally idiotic stuff. But most of it is perfect play from the perspective of my system. My cover is my system. I add in a lot of almost cost free things to reinforce this impression. If I used a similar system to what they used I would need to do things that are stupid from my perspective to look stupid.
Tthree, just because the casinos cannot figure out what you are up to, when they associate your face as being a winning player, there is not going to be a red carpet treatment. The bottom line, is all that matters to the casinos, and your play, and results will speak for itself. Why would they take a little longer look/ risk at your game when there are millions of ploppies? I think your above quote is not only wrong but silly as well.
Last edited by BoSox; 05-02-2017 at 08:36 AM.
T3, from this and other posts, one feels that you must be increasing bets with your system when the Hi Lo count is negative and lowering bets when the Hi Lo count is positive far too often. Otherwise, it's unlikely they would be fooled for long.
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