How to game the Slot machines... and end up behind bars.

**double up** · 03-26-2017, 05:05 AM

Here is an interesting story about a Russian group that used their smartphones to analyze Slot machine RNG's: Story from Wired

**pilotzone** · 03-26-2017, 10:05 PM

Sounds like they were not cheating!

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**Freightman** · 03-27-2017, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by CanadaKevinB

Sounds like they were not cheating!

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They most certainly were cheating. They used technology with uploading technology to allow others, from across the world, to analyze and advise others on methodology of besting the HE machine.

This is criminal, and different from the guys who figured out the buttons and sequence if some specific machines, beating it by using their head vs. Technology.

**pilotzone** · 03-27-2017, 08:57 PM

A lot of groups beat roulette with computers and lasers, they were not charged with cheating. Using technology isn't cheating as in the description that the Russians used it. Maybe if that state had a device law, but they were not charged with cheating, if I remember correctly, maybe it was fraud they were charged with. There was a couple of guys from Vegas a few years ago, found a glitch with poker machines, and won a bunch all over the country. Government tried to charge them with lots of bullshit charges, but in the end they were let go( but the harassment continued). They had to pay back monies won, because of the words " all malfunctions void play"! In the case of the Russians, it was not a malfunction, it was all in the timing. If I am on the jury, I let them go!

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**double up** · 03-28-2017, 02:55 AM

I also believe this is actually somewhere between the lines. IMO the biggest issue might be that they recorded the machines with their phones, which was most likely not allowed in the casinos they played at.

The RNG's of these slots were obviously not well developed or up-to-date with todays standards, so it was probably only a matter of time until some clever guy figured this out.

**Norm** · 03-28-2017, 04:07 AM

This is clear cheating. No nuance here.

**double up** · 03-28-2017, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

This is clear cheating. No nuance here.

Which law did they violate besides filming inside the casinos?

**Norm** · 03-28-2017, 06:23 AM

Using a phone to gather info you aren't supposed to know in order to alter odds is no different than using a mirrored surface to see cards you aren't supposed to see.

**pilotzone** · 03-28-2017, 08:07 AM

Don't

**Norm** · 03-28-2017, 08:45 AM

They used a computer to tell them when to hit spin in real time. A human could not have done this.

**Three** · 03-28-2017, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

They used a computer to tell them when to hit spin in real time. A human could not have done this.

I am not sure CKB read the article with enough detail to understand they had no play without interacting with a device during the gaming process. They would miss the actual time hit spin most of the time but would get it right enough to have a big edge. Without the device vibrating to tell them to immediately hit spin they had no advantage. This is such an obvious and blatant case of cheating that anyone that thinks it isn't doesn't understand everything involved in getting an advantage or doesn't understand the law.

**Freightman** · 03-28-2017, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I am not sure CKB read the article with enough detail to understand they had no play without interacting with a device during the gaming process. They would miss the actual time hit spin most of the time but would get it right enough to have a big edge. Without the device vibrating to tell them to immediately hit spin they had no advantage. This is such an obvious and blatant case of cheating that anyone that thinks it isn't doesn't understand everything involved in getting an advantage or doesn't understand the law.

Both 3 and Norm have brought up very valid points.

Another point which rears its head every time we have these threads, is the cheering section which comes to light, unconditionally supporting the players involved, denying wrongdoing of any kind. It's akin to the tobacco industry claiming there are no health hazards associated with smoking. It's self serving, it's wrong. We are AP's - hopefully, we are not thieves.

**pilotzone** · 03-28-2017, 05:44 PM

Not sure, but seems like some of you live in never/never land, but so be it. What was your take on the Phil Ivey trails, I am guessing by your comments that he was also cheating, or maybe because he wasn't using a phone, he was not cheating? Interested in your thoughts! If the people on this forum think so strongly that this was cheating, why were they not charged with cheating???? Maybe cause the charges wouldn't stick!!