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    play 1 or 2 hands on heads up dd

    hello, been reading the forum for a while. is 1 hand or 2 hands better for heads up double deck? or should i only play 2 hands when the deck have a surplus of ace to try to catch them?
    no surrender. 75% bet when play 2 hand.

    thanks for the input guys.

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    It does not matter.

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    It does matter because of co-variance and you should sim your play to evaluate EV and SD in both situations. There are other factors to consider like being forced to bet 2X minimum if playing two hands, which will hurt at negative counts.

    If my spread is good enough then I always play two hands at DD if I can play 2X1 table minimum. The co-variance provides some relief to the extra risk and it removes the "cover" issue of jumping to two hands in positive counts and in DD, cover may be as important as EV!
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    For cover purposes, I mix it up but playing two hands can be advantageous and gets you a higher SCORE. You have to assess the risk of playing two hands, going down to one hand at negative counts and having two max bets of $150 ((if you play 1-6 spread). Playing a max bet of $250+ and a min bet of $25 can land you in trouble, playing two hands of $150 does not draw the same attention.

    I mix it up by starting with 2 hands at times, starting with one hand at another, sometimes playing one hand of $75 or two hands of $50, sometimes when I play one hand, I switch spots, sometimes if I win at two hands of $50, the count drops, I go to two hands of $25 each and if I lose one, the count is negative, I stay with the one spot where I won.

    I play rated and have a reputation and an act that has me as a superstitious player.

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    In case of multideck would you guys recommend playing one spot only and spread to two hands when the count justifies it?? What if you are getting negative counts shoe after shoe? (there is only one table open unfortunately)

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    I would start out with 2 hands, drop to one hand if TC is negative and I have lost both hands. If I win both hands, I stay with both, if I win one hand, lose the other, if the count is neutral or positive, I play two hands, if it's negative, I just stay with the hand that won, remove the winning of the prior round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    In case of multideck would you guys recommend playing one spot only and spread to two hands when the count justifies it?? What if you are getting negative counts shoe after shoe? (there is only one table open unfortunately)

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    the theoretical vs the oractical answer will vary depends on wheather heads up or with table mates.

    Positive counts heads up, play 1 hand until butting up to table max, then play 2. Negative counts heads up, if min is 1xmin for 2 spots, play 2. If 2xmin required for 2 spots, play 1 spot.

    With tablemates, play 2 in positive counts, play 1 in negative counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Excellent posts 3 and 4. Zee...Where have you been hiding that guy? Perhaps your most informative post ever.

    I ran the idea of playing two hands off the top by a guy that is a SIM expert. He advised against it. Definitely not a good idea if you have to pay more for going to two hands.

    I don't play if the rule is if you start with one hand you must stay with one hand throughout the deck. Or samething with two hands.

    Most do not give strong consideration to the frequency of large hands bet. It's vital to longevity. However, I do like a couple of T3s ideas that get more money on the table and reduce risk in terms of heat.
    Any sim will tell you that the lowest off the top bet should be table min, since house has the edge.

    Of course, that's not to say you should follow that line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Excellent posts 3 and 4. Zee...Where have you been hiding that guy? Perhaps your most informative post ever.

    I ran the idea of playing two hands off the top by a guy that is a SIM expert. He advised against it. Definitely not a good idea if you have to pay more for going to two hands.

    I don't play if the rule is if you start with one hand you must stay with one hand throughout the deck. Or samething with two hands.

    Most do not give strong consideration to the frequency of large hands bet. It's vital to longevity. However, I do like a couple of T3s ideas that get more money on the table and reduce risk in terms of heat.
    Makes you think he's playing the crowd sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    the theoretical vs the oractical answer will vary depends on wheather heads up or with table mates.

    Positive counts heads up, play 1 hand until butting up to table max, then play 2. Negative counts heads up, if min is 1xmin for 2 spots, play 2. If 2xmin required for 2 spots, play 1 spot.

    With tablemates, play 2 in positive counts, play 1 in negative counts.
    Absolutely satisfying answer. Thank you very much!! That's what i needed.

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    thanx for the input guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post

    I don't play if the rule is if you start with one hand you must stay with one hand throughout the deck. Or samething with two hands.

    Most do not give strong consideration to the frequency of large hands bet. It's vital to longevity. However, I do like a couple of T3s ideas that get more money on the table and reduce risk in terms of heat.
    Moses, you can always drop to one hand and they cannot make you stay with two hands. In some casinos, going from 1 hand to 2 in the middle of the shoe is not allowed in the NMSE and in some you have to play double the minimum. However, even playing double the minimum say $50 to start a hand, if you can go to higher max on both hands, then starting at $50 a hand and going to one hand of $25 if TC+1 or lower, jumping to $150 a hand at TC+2 and $300 each hand at $TC+3, makes playing it worth it. Because, after the first hand of $50 each, you spread is actually $25-$500.

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