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    Is a $120 free play table games chips worth it

    A casino I had a big losing session now has offered me free table coupons of $125 every two weeks. I am wondering if its worth it to drive the 3-4 hours to go play at it for a $125 incentive? Also, what I have done with free play chips in the past is to get on a DD game with a $25 min. and play the first (of 5 chips). If I win, they simply take the one chip I place and return me a $25 green chip. Then, if the count is positive, I place the 3-4 remaining chips, and if negative, I place one of 3 remaining chips.

    What strategy might be better considering that you can only use these chips at table games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    A casino I had a big losing session now has offered me free table coupons of $125 every two weeks. I am wondering if its worth it to drive the 3-4 hours to go play at it for a $125 incentive? Also, what I have done with free play chips in the past is to get on a DD game with a $25 min. and play the first (of 5 chips). If I win, they simply take the one chip I place and return me a $25 green chip. Then, if the count is positive, I place the 3-4 remaining chips, and if negative, I place one of 3 remaining chips.

    What strategy might be better considering that you can only use these chips at table games.
    It is not worth it. The chip is only worth $125 x 0.43% or $54. The time and the gas to drive 6 to 8 hours round trip doesn't justify the $54 value of the chip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    It is not worth it. The chip is only worth $125 x 0.43% or $54. The time and the gas to drive 6 to 8 hours round trip doesn't justify the $54 value of the chip.
    It's worth it if you're going anyways. Consider it gas and lunch reimbursement. Otherwise, don't get to excited.

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    Perhaps you could schedule to play the shift one coupon expires and play a the 2nd shift on a another coupon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    A casino I had a big losing session now has offered me free table coupons of $125 every two weeks. I am wondering if its worth it to drive the 3-4 hours to go play at it for a $125 incentive? Also, what I have done with free play chips in the past is to get on a DD game with a $25 min. and play the first (of 5 chips). If I win, they simply take the one chip I place and return me a $25 green chip. Then, if the count is positive, I place the 3-4 remaining chips, and if negative, I place one of 3 remaining chips.

    What strategy might be better considering that you can only use these chips at table games.
    Is it worth it? That's relative. What's your time worth and what are your coupons worth? If your coupons originate from the South (where they only replace the coupon with chips if you win), then your coupon are only worth roughly 50% of the face value. If your coupons originate from other parts of the Midwest like KC or St Louis, then your coupons will be worth double; those properties will replace AND pay. If you venture up to IA, some places up there will just give you chips for your coupons and you can just simply cash out. So it depends on how they treat he coupons to begin with.

    When I get coupons from places that replace and pay, I will sometimes just off-set the bets on the baccarat tables so I can pretty much guarantee myself face value with no variance. When I schedule my trips with offers, I always schedule them on the "turn;" when you catch one offer that is just ending one day and a new offer starts on the following day. I've made 8 to 10 hr round trips for guaranteed $800 to $1,000 cash before. The way I see it, that's a few hrs of playing blackjack, but with zero variance and no back offs. So that's worth it for me. But I probably wouldn't travel somewhere for anything less than $400 or $500, unless I planned on going there anyway. So that's up to you.

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    Whether worth it or not is a personal choice. But to calculate the value of the coupon, additional information is needed. Most of these one time coupon remain in play after a tie. Hence the 0.43% value above is an underestimation. If you play it on BJ, they give even money on a BJ, and hence the value is about %48. You can circumvent the BJ evan money issue by using the coupon to double or split only. If you play the coupon on Banker at baccarat its value is close to 49%. If the casino allow you to play it on a roulette inside number (not uncommon) then it is value is close to 93%. If they do not allow it on a roulette number but allow it on a baccarat tie bet, then it its value is about 80%.

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    Its actually M-Life and they replace the chip with $25 when you win. You acannot go on the "turn" because one coupon ends and there is a one day gap and the next coupon starts. Thus, a coupon may expire on the 14th and the next one starts on the 16th.

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    bet the chips on 13 at roulette, one at a time; if you are restricted to even money wagers hit up 3 card poker.


    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ouponsbjfo.pdf
    Last edited by Meistro123; 03-06-2017 at 04:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    bet the chips on 13 at roulette, one at a time.
    Or just bet it all at once on 13 for maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Its actually M-Life and they replace the chip with $25 when you win. You acannot go on the "turn" because one coupon ends and there is a one day gap and the next coupon starts. Thus, a coupon may expire on the 14th and the next one starts on the 16th.
    I know where you're talking about now. You can still catch the "turn"... Example: if one coupon expires Saturday and the new one starts on Monday; book a room for Saturday and Sunday night. Play those two days and cash out the last free play on Monday when you check out.

    But no, I would not make a day-trip to this destination just for the free play. It isn't worth it, unless you plan a 2 or 3 day trip there anyway. Especially since the free play only gets replaced vs replaced and paid.
    Last edited by Ryemo; 03-06-2017 at 05:08 PM.

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    I mean obviously what you should do is hit some casinos on the way to this place to scout and / or play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I am wondering if its worth it to drive the 3-4 hours to go play at it for a $125 incentive?
    Regardless of the incentives your rated play generates you should plan trips as what is called a transshipment problem. The typical transshipment problem people are familiar with from school is, you need to make many deliveries of you product over a large region. You want to deliver them in the most cost efficient way so you devise a route(s) that saves the driver(s) time which costs you money and saves driving expenses. Delivering every day a proper solution to the transshipment problem will add a lot to your bottom line.

    Apply this concept to AP and your incentives you should look at your offers for a region and plan trips so you can maximize incentives. This means visiting many casinos in a region on your trip and taking advantage of not just the EV value incentives but also reward and/or tier credit multipliers that may be happening during that month. You need to learn how to work all the casino systems at the different properties. For example, at CET properties it may seem hard to make 7-Star. The value of 7-star may be important to you. You play without paying attention to how to work the Total Reward system and your annual play doesn't get you but halfway to the 150K points needed to hit 7-star. Then you start working their system. You hit the tier credit multiplier and you earn many times the tier credits with the same play, or end of the year matching carry over to the next year so you earn tier credits in a different year that help your annual quest to make 7-star. Then each day that you think you have generated a significant amount of tier credits you go to the Total Rewards desk and find out how much you have earned at each property you played that day. They have a stepped tier matching reward where if you earn so you can hit a bonus tier credit for a given day cumulative for all the properties you played:

    Earned tier credits on a given day: Bonus added to tier credits earned
    500 Tier Credits: + 125 Tier Credit Bonus!
    1,000 Tier Credits: + 1,000 Tier Credit Bonus!
    2,500 Tier Credits: + 5,000 Tier Credit Bonus!
    Earns Platinum Status in one day!
    5,000 Tier Credits: + 10,000 Tier Credit Bonus!
    Earns Diamond Status in one day!

    As you can see if you are close to the next step you can play a little more and add 125, 825, 4K or 5K tier credits to what you have already earned that day. You should find out how much you need exactly and decide if it is worth earning the extra. If you are close enough it is. Usually you have already decided you have played enough AP play for the day at all their properties in the area and the total rewards desk will be closed when you will complete play so you need to know just how many tier credits your play generates so you choose machine play. The goal is not to play at the best EV but to generate tier credits at the least cost in EV/tier credit. I pick crappy video poker with a poor pay table because a good pay table will not generate much tier credits and that is your goal. The variance and time spent earning the needed credits makes a good VP machine a horrible choice for generating tier credits. Credits accumulate quickly at most bad VP machines and you only give up EV on rarely hit payoffs that make it a crappy VP machine. If you don't get any during the short amount of play it takes to generate your tier credits the crappy pay schedule cost you nothing for that session. You don't waste much time generating the tier credits and though EV is much worse the variance you expose yourself to is small because of the greatly reduced money you need to play through the machine. By working the system you may go from almost impossible to make 7-star to making it easily half way through the year.

    There may be other ways to earn tier credits as well which have nothing to do with their casinos like using a Total Reward credit card or shopping in their shops. You should be AP'ing your credit cards systems as well (AP is a way of life) to get 2-5% cash back on every purchase you make, so I don't recommend getting a TR credit card. But one big purchase with the card on the same day you generate a lot of tier credits playing can push you to the top of the tier credit matching chart of 5K or 10K extra tier credits over what you would have otherwise earned for that day.

    Basically AP play is a way of life that extends to everything you do. When I was a red chipper I would plan every trip to hit a bunch of offers from many casinos. A red chipper has trouble covering expenses with profit. By learning to work all the reward systems for the casinos you plan and laying out each month's play to maximize incentive EV you will have a plus EV for the month over expenses before you even factor in playing results. For a red chipper in BR building mode that is huge. The RoR factoring expenses for a red chipper is huge. The RoR figures quoted don't factor in expenses so for all practical purposes they aren't very accurate unless you play the incentive game to have additional EV over expenses. The percentage of EV that expenses would eat up is disastrous if your EV is small. But as your EV grows with your BR the amount expenses affects RoR starts to become far less significant.
    Last edited by Three; 03-11-2017 at 05:19 AM.

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    T3, great post for some. My intent was never to get into maximizing all the stuff. I just had some losses and received some free play and wondered out planning a trip.

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