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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Zee
    There's lots of ways for the pit to ask, and to annoy you in a different manner while they hound you to get a card.
    There's also lots of ways for you say - leave me the fuck alone, I'm not interested. Be creative.
    Thanks. In playing BJ, my biggest drawback is my own personality. Having been frugal all my life, putting out the optimal bets or a large amount in positive counts has been tough and I tended to underbet. Having been polite and honest and kind and avoiding conflict, it's been tough to be rude to folks and this has led to handing in my players card, not hitting against a 5 or 6 in negative counts so I don't upset a ploppy or big bettor, not doubling on A7 for the same reason or going from one hand to two or vice versa.

    I am getting there but not quite reached it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Thanks. In playing BJ, my biggest drawback is my own personality. Having been frugal all my life, putting out the optimal bets or a large amount in positive counts has been tough and I tended to underbet. Having been polite and honest and kind and avoiding conflict, it's been tough to be rude to folks and this has led to handing in my players card, not hitting against a 5 or 6 in negative counts so I don't upset a ploppy or big bettor, not doubling on A7 for the same reason or going from one hand to two or vice versa.

    I am getting there but not quite reached it yet.
    Zee
    You will always sell yourself short by underbetting your big bets due to frugality. Look at it this way. You will win lots of bets in negative counts and you will lose lots of bets in positive counts. That's the way if the world in low margin endeavours. The simple fact of the matter is that the sum total of your positive bets must exceed the sum total of your bets in negative counts. The difference is what goes in your pocket. The bigger the sum differential, the more money that hits your pocket.

    Explained, same thing, different way.
    Depending on factors, house holds the edge 80% of the time, you hold the edge 20%of the time. The sum total of 20% of your bets must exceed the sum total of 80% of your bets. The greater the difference, the more that goes in your pocket.

    Explained same thing, different way
    I renegotiated a deal on behalf of a customer. I got paid a percentage of the resultant savings. One if the sweeter deals was accepting a proposal from a new vendor, with fully 70% of service was purchased at a higher price. The incredible savings on 30% of service was so significant, that the overall percentage savings put a pretty penny in my pocket.

    The one thing in common in all of these examples is the spread. The greater the spread, the more your reward. The spread is your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Zee
    You will always sell yourself short by underbetting your big bets due to frugality. Look at it this way. You will win lots of bets in negative counts and you will lose lots of bets in positive counts. That's the way if the world in low margin endeavours. The simple fact of the matter is that the sum total of your positive bets must exceed the sum total of your bets in negative counts. The difference is what goes in your pocket. The bigger the sum differential, the more money that hits your pocket.

    Explained, same thing, different way.
    Depending on factors, house holds the edge 80% of the time, you hold the edge 20%of the time. The sum total of 20% of your bets must exceed the sum total of 80% of your bets. The greater the difference, the more that goes in your pocket.

    Explained same thing, different way
    I renegotiated a deal on behalf of a customer. I got paid a percentage of the resultant savings. One if the sweeter deals was accepting a proposal from a new vendor, with fully 70% of service was purchased at a higher price. The incredible savings on 30% of service was so significant, that the overall percentage savings put a pretty penny in my pocket.

    The one thing in common in all of these examples is the spread. The greater the spread, the more your reward. The spread is your friend.
    I agree. Intellectually, I see how it works, emotionally, I just have not accepted it enough to overcome my history. Spreading big risks unpleasant consequences, varying from BS upsets ploppies, refusing players cards gets heat and so I have played rated, been differential made an average of $7k over the past 3 years but this, my first year, I have attempted to overcome it, the swings have been bigger but I am doing a bit better. Slow learner but learning!

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    Really? what places are these. Is this in US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    Really? what places are these. Is this in US?
    Reno s in Nevada and Nevada is in the US, as of now, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Reno s in Nevada and Nevada is in the US, as of now, lol.
    Moses edited his post Zee. He originally said "Many places will not let you play..."

    That's why Banker asked for specifics.

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    I am still curious what places would not let you play without ID. It is the rule overseas but it must be very rare in US. Many casinos will ask you to leave if you are asked for ID and said no. They believe, falsely, that an ID is required to be in a casino. But I have not heard of places requiring it to play. If it is a public knowledge, there is no harm of mentioning these places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    I am still curious what places would not let you play without ID. It is the rule overseas but it must be very rare in US. Many casinos will ask you to leave if you are asked for ID and said no. They believe, falsely, that an ID is required to be in a casino. But I have not heard of places requiring it to play. If it is a public knowledge, there is no harm of mentioning these places.
    Harrahs Rincon in San Diego, Ca won't let you play DD blackjack without ID or play card. You can play shoe game or anything else.

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    I think I need to ask this question about rated and unrated play off the board. Which one of you is a subscriber. I am hoping for Big Player but many I respect. i am afraid if I ask it on the board I will cause my own problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I think I need to ask this question about rated and unrated play off the board. Which one of you is a subscriber. I am hoping for Big Player but many I respect. i am afraid if I ask it on the board I will cause my own problems.
    I wouldn't respond to a request for assistance worded like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I wouldn't respond to a request for assistance worded like that.
    I won't be asking you for help then. If I ask on the board it may start a witch hunt through casino histories that ultimately gets me barred. You were busting my balls on another thread too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I won't be asking you for help then. If I ask on the board it may start a witch hunt through casino histories that ultimately gets me barred. You were busting my balls on another thread too.
    That was a continuation of this, if it makes you feel better. Learning the art of subtlety (which I lack on occasion) is a skill you should learn.

    It is insulting to see a post - want assistance, prefer Big Player, second stringers will be kinda sorta okay. Trust the message is now clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    It is insulting to see a post - want assistance, prefer Big Player, second stringers will be kinda sorta okay. Trust the message is now clear.
    But that is not what I said. I said I would prefer Bigplayer or one from a set of others whom I respect. I chose Bigplayer because everyone knows he is top notch. I could have chosen anyone I respect but that could open another can of worms. i felt Bigplayer was the right call on so many levels. If I started listing handles of the rest of the respected members on my list some would get pissed that they weren't listed and I would likely forget a bunch that should be on the list.

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