More progress on SCORE for optimal play

**Freightman** · 05-29-2018, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by dogman_1234

I have to admit: I have not read much of dubz's posts due to their, err...lack of brevity.

If he is, what you call, a 'stooge', then why engage with him at all?

I don't get why people have to feed the trolls. We have known this since, what, the 90's! Don't feed the fucking trolls.

If this man/woman is serious about what they think and is not working for the casinos, then my recommendation for getting help from a AP vet rings true again.

But, knowing this forum, you guys will still kvetch about whatever useless drivel a ploppy says.

Maybe I should start another 7:5 payout thread, just to take this stress off your mind, hmmm Freight?

Thanks for getting me back on track. As for some new controversial thread - why not.

**Dbs6582** · 05-30-2018, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by dogman_1234

The above concerns me as this does not indicate someone who understands the statistical ramifications of short-term departures from the mean. Just because your last 20 hrs were 'winning' sessions, does in no way indicate you had any measurable 'global' advantage over the game.

Please have your game evaluated by either a sim or another veteran counter. I recommend it.

I appreciate your concerns but I’m comfortable relying on the advice from this group of experts. The link Three attached to one of his posts also gave me confidence that want I’m doing is generating positive EV. Since my bankroll is pretty much unlimited, I don’t think in terms of ROR. btw, I know there are other people who play this way from some of my bj books.

Did you read my post? I said upfront I know short term results don’t mean anything. That’s why I asked my question. I wanted to know if I was generating positive EV if I was doubling 10 vs 10 at a positive count below +4. The answer is yes. I’m always surprised when an AP regurgitates something I already said in my post. They try to make a point that I’ve already made.

I have cvcx and cvdata but I’m not the most proficient at it. I use it to sim games I play and to evaluate my different betting ramps, but I’m not sure I’d know how to sim doubling 10 vs 10 at different counts. This is what I use this forum for. Thanks!

**Dbs6582** · 05-30-2018, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

D B S - Dumb boring and stupid.

Freightman, I wonder how long it took you to come up with that. I’m sure you were pretty proud of it when you came up with it. This is more of an indictment on you then me. Personally, I don’t waste my time with these type of people. I like interacting with people that are interesting.

If I’m dumb, boring and stupid, why do you spend so much time responding to my posts? Most of them would die a quite death if it wasn’t for you and Three always responding to them with arguments that make little sense.

Usually I get a response from Three that points out that some “expert” said it, so it most be true. I need more to believe something than this guy or that guy said it, so it most be true. To your credit, for the most part you don’t do this.

**refinery** · 05-30-2018, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

3 was spot on with his exposing the supposed weekend warrior DBS, as a casino stooge.

Excuse me. I was an early adopter of this as well. I'll take some praise as well, thanks. Email me for bitcoin address.

**Three** · 05-30-2018, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Dbs6582

I wanted to know if I was generating positive EV if I was doubling 10 vs 10 at a positive count below +4. The answer is yes.

You aren't generating plus EV when you double 10vT below the EV maximizing index. You are reducing the plus EV you already have. The margins are so small in BJ that you can't frivolously give away EV that increases variance. This will hurt SCORE in both the numerator and denominator. The cumulative of both decreasing the numerator and increasing the denominator is catastrophic. To illustrate this consider 100/100 = 100%. Then 99/101 = 98%. When lower variance at the cost of EV is RA indices. They lower the EV of your holding but also lower variance. This has opposite affects on SCORE in the numerator and denominator and can either raise or lower SCORE a little, or have no effect on SCORE. If you don't care about RoR you still should care about SCORE and many other stats that are affected by variance. Variance (SD) drives all the most important stats to worry about. This is especially true as a solo player. A team can cycle through n0 (which is greatly affected by both EV and variance) much faster by ether playing to a much lower n0 and/or having many different players playing through the rounds required at the same time.

**Three** · 05-30-2018, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dbs6582

Usually I get a response from Three that points out that some “expert” said it, so it most be true.

No. I say some expert did extensive research on it so you should trust his findings over someone that is just talking out of their ass.

Why do you think casinos care so much about team play and react so much more harshly when it is discovered? Because they know there is a huge difference between 100 counters each playing with a $1K BR and 100 counters playing as a team with a $100K BR. Each individual counter will have to play a long time to cycle through their n0 a few times and get closer to long run results. A team has to play 1/100th of the time to do so. By the time you have cycled through your n0 once, the team has cycled through that n0 100 times. For counters to not understand the difference and see why the casino would fear a team of counters playing with the same BR as the cumulative BR as the same number of individual counters shows they really don't understand what they are doing at all.