Age verification needed before paying off wager

[beta]

I was counting a long shot side bet at a non-BJ game one time. The pit boss asked if I was using a card, and I said no since I had been backed off playing BJ rated there before. After I hit the side bet the first time the pit boss said he needed to see ID to make sure I was 21 before paying me (It was a very large payout). The other players at the table told me they had never seen that before.

I gave him my ID, he entered some stuff in his computer, and although they did seem kind of paranoid, I never got any real heat. Their paranoia seemed like it was mainly because I was making really large bets.

Should I have refused the ID and requested a gaming agent?

I also wonder if I will be able to go back there and do the same thing again. Info on counting that side bet can easily be found online. It seemed like they had no idea what I was doing while I was there. But since they were paranoid, I would think someone would have looked it up afterwards. Do you think they are likely to share info with nearby casinos or back me off if I try it a second time?

[Jabberwocky]

They allowed you to play without asking for verification. They owe you money. You should refuse the ID request.

[hitthat16]

You should have asked "would you have asked to see my ID if I lost?"

[RS]

Depends what the payout was and if it triggered a W2G. IIRC, for a table games W2G the payout needs to be at least 300:1 and pay at least $500, or something along those lines. If a W2G is not necessary for the payoff, then you don't need to show ID (whether showing ID or not is the best course of action, that's a different story).

[Three]

I doubt the issue was to show ID to verify age. If they let you play and you were not old enough and then evicted you and defaulted on paying you because you were underaged they would basically be confessing to allowing underaged people to play until they hit a big payoff. They would then be subject to a fine of $100K. Was the side bet payoff more than $100K. If so they needed ID for a W2G anyway. Most likely a W2G situation. I hit a max side bet payout that required a W2G at 1 casino and they stopped the game to fill out the paperwork. It took about an hour to get paid. I hit the same payout at another casino and the Floor just told the dealer to pay me the payoff and that was that. No delay at all. No W2G. You just never know.

[beta]

If I had refused to show ID, the pit boss may have refused to pay me. I am trying to figure out what I would do in that situation. If I request a gaming agent, would they likely make the pit boss pay me, or might they take the casino's side and say I need to show ID? If they take the casino's side, would it make any sense for me to still refuse?

[Exoter175]

If I had refused to show ID, the pit boss may have refused to pay me. I am trying to figure out what I would do in that situation. If I request a gaming agent, would they likely make the pit boss pay me, or might they take the casino's side and say I need to show ID? If they take the casino's side, would it make any sense for me to still refuse?

If you refuse to show ID, you'll be escorted out of most, if not all casinos. Requesting a gaming agent only makes matters worse, and on top of this, he'll ask for your ID too.

I don't see the issue with showing your ID, unless either you've been trespassed or you are under age and illegally gambling. Nothing to really be concerned about or make a big fuss over. Unless they made it abundantly clear to you that they thought you were counting, or had you step away from the table to tell you you weren't allowed to play BJ anymore, or anything along those lines, you're just being overly paranoid about a relatively commonplace item.

[Bubbles]

They ask me for my ID all the time. If you look young, keep it handy. They're usually just wanting it for age verification. Sometimes they'll take a while to ask too. I once was asked like 45 minutes after I began playing for my ID. I found that strange, but it was just for age. You may not have been noticed by the pit boss until he saw the payout, then he saw you looked young and decided to ask.

[BJGenius007]

Depends what the payout was and if it triggered a W2G. IIRC, for a table games W2G the payout needs to be at least 300:1 and pay at least $500, or something along those lines. If a W2G is not necessary for the payoff, then you don't need to show ID (whether showing ID or not is the best course of action, that's a different story).

You are slightly wrong. Should be 200:1/300:1 and $1200/$600 threshold. Players need to fill W-2G form to IRS if the winning exceeds $1200 at 200:1 or higher odds (slot) or $600 at 300:1 (table).

[Exoter175]

You are slightly wrong. Should be 200:1/300:1 and $1200/$600 threshold. Players need to fill W-2G form to IRS if the winning exceeds $1200 at 200:1 or higher odds (slot) or $600 at 300:1 (table).

You are slightly wrong.

Reportable Gambling Winnings Report gambling winnings on Form W-2G if: 1. The winnings (not reduced by the wager) are $1,200 or more from a bingo game or slot machine, 2. The winnings (reduced by the wager) are $1,500 or more from a keno game, 3. The winnings (reduced by the wager or buy-in) are more than $5,000 from a poker tournament,
4. The winnings (except winnings from bingo, slot machines, keno, and poker tournaments) reduced, at the option of the payer, by the wager are: a. $600 or more, and b. At least 300 times the amount of the wager, or 5. The winnings are subject to federal income tax withholding (either regular gambling withholding or backup withholding).