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    No bust method

    I strive to never lose a hand by taking a hit.

    I never take a hit on 12 or higher, instead I wait and see if the dealer will bust if I have a 12-16.
    I also split 6s, 7s, 8s, and 9s and of course aces. I am unsure whether or not its useful to split 10 value cards, while on the one hand I could get a 21 or a second 20 point hand, its possible I could end up hoping the dealer busts when I could have had a sure 20 in the first place.
    I always double down if I have 11, and I used to double down every time when I had 10, but I'm not sure if its worth doubling my bet with a 10 hand when I could just hit and lose less money if I get a bad card.
    In all other hands I just take a hit until I have a count of 12 or higher then stop and find out what the dealer ends up with.
    I also never buy insurance before dealer checks for blackjack, or take even money when I have a blackjack.

    The best casino advantages I found to look for are the ability to hit after splitting aces, the ability to double down after a hit, and casinos that pay blackjack money even if you take hits to reach 21. Of course a good betting spread is good with a low min and high max. The ones I normally use are 3 or 5 dollar min and 500 dollar max. There is a 1000 dollar max casino in my state but I haven't been to it yet.

    I buy into a table with 1000 dollars, and bet the min (normally 5$) until I lose 3 times in a row. Then I bet 30 dollars, 100, 300, 500 respectively after that until I have won a hand before returning to my 5 dollar bets.

    If I buy in with 1000 dollars, the worst thing that can happen is I lose 1000 dollars and try again another time I have the money.
    Mathematically its possible if not probable that I could end up with every dollar the casino has, given time for enough blackjack hands.

    I realize that by not playing basic blackjack strategy or optimal blackjack strategy as people like to call it, my odds must be close to 40% on any given hand.
    But even if the house has a 60% advantage, or 10% advantage depending on how you look at it, in any given 7 hands there is only a 3% chance of the dealer winning all 7 hands.
    Its only between 128 and 254 hands in a row that its very probable the dealer will win 7 hands in a row.
    Given that in a shoe with at least 2 other players and the dealer doesn't have enough cards for more than about 50 hands, I'm confident that I can sit at one table for hours on end growing my initial 1000 dollars into several thousand.

    And I have done just that in the past.

    A couple things I'm open to suggestion on, are what are your thoughts about my decisions to hit, stand, split, or double down.
    And I was wondering what you think is a good time to collect my winnings and leave? Is +3000 enough, or should I push for +6000 as I have done before?

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    Norm must be sleeping. OR

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    You should follow basic strategy regarding hit/stand/double/split.

    It doesn't matter how much you bet or when you bet that amount, you're going to end up losing in the long haul (unless you have a verifiable advantage over the casino.....and changing your bet amounts based on previous wins or losses does not constitute an advantage).


    That being said, know that you're destined to lose using your strategy. If you want to play for fun, go ahead, nothing wrong with that. But if you think you have some winning system and plan on making money with your system, my advice is not to continue playing. Instead, get a book or 2 about card counting and read them, if that interests you.
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    I just looked on my calendar.... it is only January 4th.....
    A little early for April Fool posts Smak.....

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    If you play basic strategy, determined over 50 years ago (and verified over and over) you will be at a slight disadvantage. Your strategy for hit/stand etc is horrible. You can't repeatedly play a strategy like that at a steep disadvantage and magically come out ahead. Read Norm's free book at this site and you will learn a lot.


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    I always wondered about a slight modification of this! No bust strategy while 'counting'. Anyone have sim for this? Card counting but never taking a hit on 12 though 16 against any upcard? Basically no bust strategy but counting as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadWarrior View Post
    I always wondered about a slight modification of this! No bust strategy while 'counting'. Anyone have sim for this? Card counting but never taking a hit on 12 though 16 against any upcard? Basically no bust strategy but counting as well!
    Might work if you only played it with TC >+20 which doesn't occur very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadWarrior View Post
    I always wondered about a slight modification of this! No bust strategy while 'counting'. Anyone have sim for this? Card counting but never taking a hit on 12 though 16 against any upcard? Basically no bust strategy but counting as well!
    The advantage gained by counting is small. You'd throw away the advantage several times over with all the terrible "no bust" plays. I can understand a recreational player who doesn't want to put in the effort to count, but why not learn basic strategy? It would take maybe 1 hour of work to memorize it. How is it possible for people to think a no bust strategy is better than basic strategy? If you have a stiff and the dealer has a high card, you have to try to improve your hand by hitting, or you're just dead in the water.


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    I concur with the majority view that the idea is nonsensical for the long run, but I defer to Norm for explanation and verification of my ideas.

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    I concur with the majority view that the idea is nonsensical for the long run, but I defer to Norm for explanation and insight with verification of my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackal View Post
    I concur with the majority view that the idea is nonsensical for the long run, but I defer to Norm for explanation and verification of my ideas.
    What are your ideas, for the non-psychic among us?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadWarrior View Post
    I always wondered about a slight modification of this! No bust strategy while 'counting'. Anyone have sim for this? Card counting but never taking a hit on 12 though 16 against any upcard? Basically no bust strategy but counting as well!
    Yes - It's called hit/stand indices

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