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    Where is middle ground for Indices and Basic Strategy?

    We understand if you play B.J you must know the B.S and if you are counter you must know the indices of your count. However in actual casino playing there are many things distract you and your (lack of) ability to do quick, accurate math so the accuracy of your index play is easily off the mark. Also Don S and Snyder and Jacobson had said about Indices vs B.S which tend (as way I understand) to place B.S more importance than Indices.
    What is your take on this subject?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    We understand if you play B.J you must know the B.S and if you are counter you must know the indices of your count. However in actual casino playing there are many things distract you and your (lack of) ability to do quick, accurate math so the accuracy of your index play is easily of the mark. Also Don S and Snyder and Jacobson had said about Indices vs B.S which tend (as way I understand) to place B.S more importance than Indices.
    What is your take on this subject?
    Competent experienced counters will have no issues with distractions, will of course know bs perfectly, and will immediately know when to deviate from basic. That being said, for the beginner, basic strategy is your first priority. Learning when and how to ramp would be next. Indices may be last, but don't discount the value of index play. Depending on your count system, there's loads of info out there.

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    Prediction: over/under for thread number of posts: 150. Over/under for when discussion turns to which rock band someone likes the most: 72.

    Sigh. If you guys buy into this, shame on you!

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    If you are uncertain about the accuracy of your TC calculation, and it's a close call, use basic strategy rather than the index.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Prediction: over/under for thread number of posts: 150. Over/under for when discussion turns to which rock band someone likes the most: 72.

    Sigh. If you guys buy into this, shame on you!

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    I will take the over for $200 Alex.

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    I still like Led Zep.
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    How long since you did the stroll? Applicable question to Don S too. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Prediction: over/under for thread number of posts: 150. Over/under for when discussion turns to which rock band someone likes the most: 72.

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    +1 LMAO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    We understand if you play B.J you must know the B.S and if you are counter you must know the indices of your count. However in actual casino playing there are many things distract you and your (lack of) ability to do quick, accurate math so the accuracy of your index play is easily off the mark. Also Don S and Snyder and Jacobson had said about Indices vs B.S which tend (as way I understand) to place B.S more importance than Indices.
    What is your take on this subject?
    Basic strategy should be so well known that you don't even need to think about it. Totally automatic. Otherwise you will be too slow at TC calculations. Prioritize betting, but add a few playing indexes. The indexes used most often are close to TC = 0 and slightly positive TCs. Don't add any new ones until you are comfortable with a few. Get to Sweet 16 and Fab 4 for sure. You can add on more after that, but that's up to you.


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    Where is middle ground for Indices and Basic Strategy?

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    Me too. My other faves are Hendrix, The Who, Stones, Beatles, the Kinks, Ramones, The Animals, and last but best, Ozzy/Black Sabbath!


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    Led Zep is alright, but give me some Jethro Tull, The Band & CCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Prediction: over/under for thread number of posts: 150. Over/under for when discussion turns to which rock band someone likes the most: 72.

    Sigh. If you guys buy into this, shame on you!

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    Simple solution, refer OP to BJA, Prof. BJ, The Theory of Blackjack, Modern BJ Vols. I & II, etc., and then close this thread. Pretty sure that will keep the number of posts below 15 in total.

    But, my money is on Norm letting the thread proceed, no matter what rabbit hole it goes down, provided that there are no ad hominem attacks or political/religious debates.
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