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    Choke points

    Choking points; every store has them. I thought a good rule of thumb to calculate it is 8x the table max. Of course you not want to go beyond half that figure if wanted to preserve the welcome mat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Choking points; every store has them. I thought a good rule of thumb to calculate it is 8x the table max. Of course you not want to go beyond half that figure if wanted to preserve the welcome mat.
    Good luck betting 4x table max.. I think there might be a typo somewhere or I've had too much to drink because I'm lost.

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    To win 8x (or 4x) maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    To win 8x (or 4x) maybe ?
    Ah. Session win limits. Thanks for making some sense of it Philippe. That might be a good rule of thumb for most places.

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    All casinos have a precise set of "choke points"

    Each has a set of protocols that demand that certain staff,

    (Pit Boss, Table Games Manager, Shift Boss, E I T S) be notified.

    The amounts that trigger these actions vary by casino.

    In general, the smaller the casino the smaller the amounts.

    They are: buy-in size, win (or loss) for session, Max Bet size.

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    Indeed. On my worst session loss ever, my pit friend said I was 100$ away from one of those points. I wisely decided to walk away before reaching it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    "I thought a good rule of thumb to calculate it is 8x the table max."

    I presume that you are saying that WINNING 8 times the allowable 'table max'
    is choke-worthy. That is, I believe, too high a metric; and suggests that if a
    player is betting black and winning $25,000 at a table with posted limits of $100
    to $5,000 he "outs" himself IF s/he table hops (betting the same) at a table with
    posted limits of $50 to $3,000. In the first case s/he was winning a mere 5X the
    table max; but after changing tables he is winning over 8X.

    On a related topic, I use a large fraction of the Table Max as an acceptable personal
    maximum bet. One HALF is as high as I will go IF the heat is low, etc. I will use approx.
    One THIRD if I am somewhat concerned about surveillance, etc. If I am really concerned
    about heat I will drop my personal maximum bet to one QUARTER of the table max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    All casinos have a precise set of "choke points"

    Each has a set of protocols that demand that certain staff,

    (Pit Boss, Table Games Manager, Shift Boss, E I T S) be notified.

    The amounts that trigger these actions vary by casino.

    In general, the smaller the casino the smaller the amounts.

    They are: buy-in size, win (or loss) for session, Max Bet size.
    This is both correct and incorrect.

    Buy-in size is rather irrelevant nowadays with respect to large cash sums of course, but session win/loss and Max bet size are certainly relevant. Further, it is NOT true that the smaller the casino, the smaller the amounts. I know several casinos personally that have such large limits, you'd imagine that they were resort destinations, not "middle of a cornfield" shops. The head of marketing of a very, very small casino once told me "You'd be surprised how much money actually comes through here from the locals. Some of my biggest players are guys with pig shit on their boots, wearing overalls and holes in their shirts".

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    Session wins, Smaller Casinos $3K to $5K Larger Casinos $5K to 10K. Generally once you pass the $10K mark in a session someone has to answer for it or explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post


    I presume that you are saying that WINNING 8 times the allowable 'table max'
    is choke-worthy. That is, I believe, too high a metric; and suggests that if a
    player is betting black and winning $25,000 at a table with posted limits of $100
    to $5,000 he "outs" himself IF s/he table hops (betting the same) at a table with
    posted limits of $50 to $3,000. In the first case s/he was winning a mere 5X the
    table max; but after changing tables he is winning over 8X.

    On a related topic, I use a large fraction of the Table Max as an acceptable personal
    maximum bet. One HALF is as high as I will go IF the heat is low, etc. I will use approx.
    One THIRD if I am somewhat concerned about surveillance, etc. If I am really concerned
    about heat I will drop my personal maximum bet to one QUARTER of the table max.
    Sometimes you need to go way over your suggested proportion. I was out of town playing 25-400 table max game. The nice win climaxed by 2x400 bets yielding 2 snappers bit me on the next visit. My nicely dealt 6d game went to 8 deck (nothing to do with me), and just for me, a 4/8 shoe.

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