Question re: 6-5 double deck

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"1. Hi Opt II works fine, but modify your ace-richness
betting adjustment to count it as 1 instead of 2.

2. Honestly, Zen is a a near-optimal system."

Stop pretending to expertise that you clearly do not have.

Do NOT diminish the high Playing Efficiency enhancements
or the near-perfect Bet-Sizing; by mindlessly succumbing
to this VERY bad advice, as it is financially self-destructive.

ZEN is a good strong count, but it is inferior to Hi-Opt II
(and A.O. II), especially for DD games.

[Three]

I believe the discussion is about playing 6:5 not BJ.

[ZeeBabar]

When you need a fix and the only available fix is what it is, then you need the best dosage that is likely to keep you alive. Like a guy in pain and the only thing around is Heroine. The question is how much should he take, not lectures on the dangers of the drug.

[RCJH]

I played 6:5 once. (Don't judge, there is a backstory.) I didn't want to, but it was the socially acceptable thing to do at the time and with the group. I could barely stomach it.

BUT, there is a small upside. No heat, so you can make huge jumps both vertically and horizontally. You can double down on a 21, and most people do. You can split 10s without a second glance.

In other words, you can play very aggressively and it's dismissed as crappy playing, because, after all, you are choosing to play at a 6:5 table.



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[Jabberwocky]

Yes, on first blush it does bring VAPC to mind, but..... its an unbalanced count, and Ace-reckoned (Aces assigned a non-zero tag value).

Jabberwocky, do you simply change the tag value for the 3 Ten valued cards from -2 to -3 when playing Super Fun 21? For Spanish 21? Just curious as I used to employ the VAPC counting system for blackjack card counting.

The tags I use for SUPER FUN 21:

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
1 1 2 2 3 2 1 0 0 -3

[Frank Galvin]

Ts (Jacks, Queens and Kings, NO 10s in SuperFun 21. Right?), aggregate in the sum of -9
All other tag values = +12.

There is a +3 imbalance in the tag values.

Did you mistype the tag values?

[moo321]

Stop pretending to expertise that you clearly do not have.

Do NOT diminish the high Playing Efficiency enhancements
or the near-perfect Bet-Sizing; by mindlessly succumbing
to this VERY bad advice, as it is financially self-destructive.

ZEN is a good strong count, but it is inferior to Hi-Opt II
(and A.O. II), especially for DD games.

Go sim this game with a 1-30 spread with both Zen and Hi Opt II. Then you can apologize for calling my good advice "VERY bad advice."

[Jabberwocky]

Ts (Jacks, Queens and Kings, NO 10s in SuperFun 21. Right?), aggregate in the sum of -9
All other tag values = +12.

There is a +3 imbalance in the tag values.

Did you mistype the tag values?

The game I play has the ten valued cards so the count is balanced.

[RS]

To avoid confusion:

Super Fun 21 is played with a 52 card deck.

Spanish 21 is used with a 48 card deck (T's removed from a standard 52 card deck).

[Jabberwocky]

To avoid confusion:

Super Fun 21 is played with a 52 card deck.

Spanish 21 is used with a 48 card deck (T's removed from a standard 52 card deck).

Now why didn't I say that?

[RS]

Now why didn't I say that?

I was just trying to clarify.

[Sharky]

Double deck. 6-5
DAS, SAT, H17.
With a cut of 50%....

on your way to this store, open your car window and swiftly hail all of your session br out the window...quicker means to an end, pal

[Frank Galvin]

Thanks for clarification RS. I have only seen SuperFun 21 on cruise ships (never paid attention to this game on land) and each time (different cruise lines) dealers tried to sell me on it being just like Spanish 21, with 48 card decks, just 10s removed, not Queens. However, there were slightly different (less advantageous) rules and payout tables than Spanish 21. So didn't bother with it.

Huh, go figure.

Okay, so Jabberworky's count is balanced, but with Aces reckoned, positively?????