Question re: 6-5 double deck

**cc12b** · 12-20-2016, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

The tags I use for SUPER FUN 21:

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
1 1 2 2 3 2 1 0 0 -3

I see some dealers in a casino deals SD SF21 down to about 10 cards or less before shuffle and I plug your tag value into Efficiency Calculator it gives darn good PE, BC, IC. I will take closer look at this game

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-21-2016, 09:05 AM

I love Jabberwocky's Level Three Count.
As it is a Single Deck game, this count
is easier than it looks.

Playing Heads Up I would make some wild-ass
bets with 2 or 3 units "off the top" and spreading
as far as 20-1 if "heads-up", and 30-1 with one
other player. With more players I 'd leave the table.

**cc12b** · 12-21-2016, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

The tags I use for SUPER FUN 21:

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
1 1 2 2 3 2 1 0 0 -3

Hi, Please share indices. Thanks

**cc12b** · 12-22-2016, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

Playing Heads Up I would make some wild-ass
bets with 2 or 3 units "off the top" and spreading
as far as 20-1 if "heads-up", and 30-1 with one
other player. With more players I 'd leave the table.

With SF21, the P.C may not give a 2nd look when someone jump his bet 20X or 30X. But I think the E.I.S can see the tattoo "I'm CC" on his forehead. LOL

**klove** · 12-23-2016, 04:47 AM

Has anyone ever accidentally sat down and played 6:5 blackjack? I admit I've done it on a few occasions and then felt like a dumbass when I realized I was playing 6:5. The last time was at a local that has 6:5 on single and double deck and $2 six decks. I was back counting a $10 table and when it reached TC+3 I jumped in 3rd base with a $100 bet and was dealt a natural and the lady paid it off and I started complaining she shorted me and then she pointed to the sign. Doh. The TC now went to +5 after the plops ate some low cards and I was reluctant to play but how could I leave a positive shoe and upped bet to $150 and received blackjack again. That was it count tanked that hand and I was getting ready to leave and the plops couldnt understand why I'd leave after b2b blackjacks. Oh yeah whats funny is this place has side by side $5 6 decks one is 3:2 other is 6:5 and there are times the 3:2 sits empty and the 6:5 is packed.

Also another time in Vegas some time ago I ran across the SF21 game and couldn't believe this gem of a game I found with all the favorable player rules and it was single deck. Wow I thought this was the place for me til after played a half hour or so when I finally got a BJ and the payoff wasnt 3:2. Another slap in the forehead moment.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-23-2016, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by cc12b

" ... may not give a 2nd look when someone jump his bet 20X or 30X."

In a game with such a high House Edge and a limited number of
rounds one must be aggressive but it takes a very strong count
to more than double a bet.

I would set tripling my bet as the maximum aggression to apply.

In a shoe game or a nicely cut DD game only morons, degenerates,
drunks, and amateur card counters will more than double a bet or
more than half it. That is a 100% clear and obvious direct route to
a barring and worse.

Greed kills.

RS · 12-23-2016, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

In a game with such a high House Edge and a limited number of
rounds one must be aggressive but it takes a very strong count
to more than double a bet.

I would set tripling my bet as the maximum aggression to apply.

In a shoe game or a nicely cut DD game only morons, degenerates,
drunks, and amateur card counters will more than double a bet or
more than half it. That is a 100% clear and obvious direct route to
a barring and worse.

Greed kills.

You can't spread 1-20 or 1-30 on a pitch game without more than doubling or tripling your previous bet.

**Phoebe** · 12-24-2016, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

Once I moved to Hi-opt II my results were nicely enhanced

Happy for you. But very bad assertion for a new player who would read it.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-25-2016, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Philippe B

"But very bad assertion for a new player who would read it."

A very good assertion, as it is true, and it gives hope to
struggling new players that they can improve their game.

RS · 12-25-2016, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

A very good assertion, as it is true, and it gives hope to
struggling new players that they can improve their game.

Do you actually believe the stuff you say?

**cc12b** · 12-25-2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

I'm spreading 100-1 @ heads up and 50% pen.

I guest your session is very short. Either you moved or been removed. If not been removed then you are tagged.

**Three** · 12-25-2016, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by cc12b

I guest your session is very short. Either you moved or been removed. If not been removed then you are tagged.

Or he isn't playing a sweaty game like BJ. Perhaps he is playing 6:5, SF21, or SP21, etc. Just because a super sweaty game like BJ won't let you spread enough to make decent money doesn't mean other games are the same.