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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    "Obviously this will be a rare event."
    The old tempest in a teapot.

    If you made your Basic Strategy departure at the correct Index,

    it means that you probably saved 50 ¢ in e.v. (or far less) on a $100 Bet.

    If you were well beyond the index, you could have saved perhaps $2.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    If you were well beyond the index, you could have saved perhaps $2.00
    What source did you get that from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    "What source did you get that from?"

    If you want to understand BJ it is important to know what

    your equity is per hand matchup, and the effect by True Count.

    I refer you to Blackjack Attack, 3rd ed. (latest printing only)

    and to Theory of Blackjack (5th or 6th edition)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    If you want to understand BJ it is important to know what

    your equity is per hand matchup, and the effect by True Count.

    I refer you to Blackjack Attack, 3rd ed. (latest printing only)

    and to Theory of Blackjack (5th or 6th edition)
    I read both Blackjack Attack and The Theory of Blackjack. I don't see where they saying anything about delaying the index could save you $2.00. Are you talking risk adverse index? The indices I listed above for the 14 deviations already risk adverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    I read both Blackjack Attack and The Theory of Blackjack. I don't see where they saying anything about delaying the index could save you $2.00. Are you talking risk adverse index? The indices I listed above for the 14 deviations already risk adverse.
    Delaying the index play slightly will provide some risk aversion with some doubles
    and splits. That is NOT the point I am making here.

    Your indices are rounded, and especially with an unbalanced / Level One Count,
    they are severely compromised to the point where they are "accurate" only 50%
    of the time, they are "over" or "under "25% of the time EACH. That is still not my
    point at all.

    If simulations demonstrate that your "return" on standing on 10-2 vs. 4 (DD game)
    earns a few more pennies (over hitting) on a Green Chip at a Zero T.C. how you play
    the hand is without meaningful consequence.

    You probably make it easy for the pit to see that you are a card counter by
    sometimes standing on 16 v. 10.

    Nearly all of the amateur Card Counters that I undertake mentoring start with
    "sob stories" about how they "misplayed" some hand [profit / loss] when all
    they had done was alter their (projected result) by 1% or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Your indices are rounded, and especially with an unbalanced / Level One Count,
    they are severely compromised to the point where they are "accurate" only 50%
    of the time, they are "over" or "under "25% of the time EACH. That is still not my point at all.
    Well, I used CVDATA to generate those indices. I don't think CVDATA can generate fractional indices. Okay for that being said what is your suggestion to improving those indices?

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    I don't have CVData. But I'd imagine if you wanted fractional indices, you could make the tag values 10x what they are. HiLo would be 2-6: +10, T-A: -10.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Thus I've never understood the logic of playall indices with a Level 1 count. Couldn't brainpower by employed far more efficiently and lucrative in other areas?
    Yes, you are right brainpower should be employed far more efficiently and lucrative in other areas but it is not in employing a complicated counting system. An AP should focus more on getting a higher edge on a consistent basis. The edge in a more complicated counting system is tiny in increments through a more complicated count. Adding enough mistakes to a complicated counting system the gain will be the same as a level one count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Well, I used CVDATA to generate those indices. I don't think CVDATA can generate fractional indices. Okay for that being said what is your suggestion to improving those indices?
    The gain or loss from an index play when the count is very close to the index is basically pennies. It isn't worth the extra time it takes to split the hairs to make the decision "properly". Just use BS. If the count is well off the index then there is a lot at stake but the math is not even necessary to see which decision is the strongest one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    There was a fellow by the name of Wong (actually it was different) that came up with Wong Halves.

    There was another fellow named Don S that came up with 16 indices of the top and best indices to play with concern to primary efficiency. There might be a little tweaking down towards the bottom depending on the game, rules, and heat. Only the NCAA bball tourney is more notorious for the Sweet 16 and Fab 4.

    But these two objectives will cover 98% of your battle and make you a lean mean blackjack playing machine. Your challenge is to figure out the bet spread that remains within casino tolerance and satisfies your thirst. Either/or will be a short term proposition.

    There is another fellow named Norm that would be 100% in hamburger biz if everyone did this because there isn't much left to talk about. However, his software is vital in allowing you to determine your bet strategy and perfect your game.

    Norm and Don S. Can you imagine the advantage of having these tools at a players disposal in the 70 and 80s? Greed may have never forced the game to change.
    The edge will be higher if AP focus on finding games with deeper penetration vs employing a complicated count system. Looking at which dealers offer the best penetration and game speed on each shift. Playing a slow game is a killer sometimes. APs should try to make the conditions favor to game speed. A faster dealer is a quality to the game. Many other factors decrease game speed i.e chip fills, deck changes and players buy ins.

    What I am trying to say is that an AP's time is better spent by finding games with a stronger advantage vs employing a complicated count system that involves multiple side counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    But how difficult can it be to learn Wong Halves? I mean, you're a bright guy to try to play all indices. It sounds like you are playing alot of DD.
    For DD I would prefer Zen or UBZII over Wong Halves. Zen and UBZII with over 100+ indices in a DD game could out perform Wong Halves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthat16 View Post
    The place that is named after a tree. Be polite and don't pitch a tent.
    When you were playing at the place that is named after a tree did they tell you to sit down when you were standing up in the double deck game?? You can get a blackjack and the dealer pay you off then they tell you to sit down after the hand. I was playing there and I was about to hold up my middle finger and said fu..k you my man, fu..k up. But I didn't.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 12-16-2016 at 10:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    When you were playing at the place that is named after a tree did they tell you to sit down when you were standing up in the double deck game?? You can get a blackjack and the dealer pay you off then they tell you to sit down after the hand. I was playing there and I was about to hold up my middle finger and said fu..k you my man, fu..k up. But I didn't.
    They didn't want you standing up? I would have told them I prefer standing for now, but in my head I would have been telling them to screw off.

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