Maybe Stations?

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-08-2016, 11:04 AM

"Silver Sevens" used to have a far more apropos name -- "Terribles"

**seriousplayer** · 12-08-2016, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

"Silver Sevens" used to have a far more apropos name -- "Terribles"

I haven't play at Silver Sevens for years I usually play at Station Casinos when I am in Las Vegas but since they change ownership I just want to see if their table condition has changed since.

**Exoter175** · 12-08-2016, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by blueman

Silver 7s sucks, barely playable. But their surveillance is surprisingly quick.

That's really interesting to hear, since their other properties out of state don't fit this description at all.

**seriousplayer** · 12-08-2016, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by RollingStoned

I'd expect it to be so. They have what, 2 DD's and 2 shoe games? Everyone betting $5-$10, standing on their 14v7's? They see a $100 bill and probably already on the scent.

It will be good that standing on 14 vs 7 make you look like a sucker because I have played index deviation in DD for that play. So next time I do that play hope the Casino think that I am a sucker.

**bigplayer** · 12-08-2016, 04:36 PM

The deluxe Station's properties are a good bet, don't camp out too long as they aren't idiots. If you get way ahead or have too many min/max cycles too quickly you should just blow out of there. If you get backed off your face will be on half the pit podiums in town in very short order. My advice any casino with a bunch of shoes and one double deck table, forget playing double deck. Blend in with the locals. The weekends are when you can probably get down decent action.

**Bigdaddy** · 12-08-2016, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

My advice any casino with a bunch of shoes and one double deck table, forget playing double deck. Blend in with the locals. The weekends are when you can probably get down decent action.

+1

I'm finally learning. If a place has both a decent shoe game and a decent DD game. You would be well advised to play the shoe...

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-08-2016, 07:13 PM

SeriousPlayer,

You have stood with 14 vs. dealer 7 ?

I am sure that you do not side-count 7's

What index do you use for that play ?

**RCJH** · 12-08-2016, 07:28 PM

Sometimes you have to look for AP opportunities.

I was recently in Vegas, and found a great DD game on the strip. H17, RSA, double on anything and...are you ready for this?...surrender. Had poor variance, and won a little. Decided to go back the next shift and try again.

Lo and behold, the game was NOT RSA, and there was no surrender. The dealer had been rotating from shoes to DD and forgot.

I also found a crappy Spanish game with sloppy dealers and an uneducated pit.

What I'm trying to say, is take off the blinders. Sometimes there's an unexpected opportunity right in front of you.

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**seriousplayer** · 12-08-2016, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

SeriousPlayer,

You have stood with 14 vs. dealer 7 ?

Iam sure that you do not side-count 7's

What index do you use for that play ?

Yes, I stood with 14 vs dealer 7. No, I don't side count 7s because I use the TKO (KO) system it already count the 7s as +1. The index for that play in True Count Mode is stand on TC >= +17. If you are using the system in running count mode stand on RC >=+18. Both indices are risk adverse indices. If you want to know what I use for 14 vs 9 and 14 vs 10 are as follows:

14 vs 9 in true count mode stand on TC >= 15 in running code mode stand on RC >= +17
14 vs 10 in true count mode stand on TC >= +7 in running code mode stand on RC >=+12

All risk adverse indices. Anything you want to add?

**Freightman** · 12-08-2016, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by RCJH

Sometimes you have to look for AP opportunities.

I was recently in Vegas, and found a great DD game on the strip. H17, RSA, double on anything and...are you ready for this?...surrender. Had poor variance, and won a little. Decided to go back the next shift and try again.

Lo and behold, the game was NOT RSA, and there was no surrender. The dealer had been rotating from shoes to DD and forgot.

I also found a crappy Spanish game with sloppy dealers and an uneducated pit.

What I'm trying to say, is take off the blinders. Sometimes there's an unexpected opportunity right in front of you.

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I recall an H17 game with an aggravatingly slow dealer who was standing on all Soft 17's. I considered it as dealer pennance for aggravating me with slow play. He made a dealer error which caused me to lose a 1 unit bet. I forgot to complain, mostly because the benefit of the complaint did not exceed the value of S17. This actually went on for a couple of hours until a critter spotted it. I told the critter I wasn't a mind reader.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-09-2016, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

"Anything you want to add?"

This smells a bit badly to me.

What is an equivalent Hi-Lo TC.

**Bigdaddy** · 12-09-2016, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

This smells a bit badly to me.

What is an equivalent Hi-Lo TC.

The Hi-Lo index for 14 v. 7 is also 17 (per the index tables for Complete Hi-Lo in in CVData). The index for this play using Hi-Opt II in a DD game is 24. Obviously this will be a rare event, but I could see it coming up in a deep pen DD game.

**seriousplayer** · 12-09-2016, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

This smells a bit badly to me.

What is an equivalent Hi-Lo TC.

The equivalent TC index in Hi-lo for 14 vs 7 is TC >= +17. There is no index deviation in Hi-lo for 14 vs 9 and 14 vs 10 because Hi-lo doesn't count the 7's.