Video Poker help

[moo321]

That's pretty much useless, unless you wanna grind out pennies.

Bob Dancer would like a word with you out back.

[moo321]

Exoter is telling the moves, too. Pay attention.

[Joe Mama]

Do you have any advice on how to work the casino comp system that you want to share? Maybe not in the public board but I am available through PM also. It going to be a sensitive topic.

If I told you, I'd have to Kill you.

[seriousplayer]

If I told you, I'd have to Kill you.

Someone else said that before in the Green Chip Message Board.

[RS]

Bob Dancer would like a word with you out back.

You mean playing a 99.8% game with 0.25% CB isn't a super strong play???? </sarcasm>

[Joe Mama]

You mean playing a 99.8% game with 0.25% CB isn't a super strong play???? </sarcasm>

I've found 99.82% +0.2% CB + 1% free play mailers + 1% EV in drawings entries; milked it for over a year. Its gone now, but it pays to look around.

[Exoter175]

My advice is to know the casino system you are planning on attacking. This may take time, research, play test, etc. Also, know that if, after you figure it out, you tell enough people then the casino will likely change the system! They do the offers to get you to increase play, not to beat their reward systems.

Harrah's Total Rewards is a highly sophisticated statistical marketing system that understands things like where you live, what your casino habits are, where you go and how frequently, etc. Last time I checked they had over 40 million cardholders! It will not take them but about three months to determine if you are playing their system and they will then take corrective measures.

Other casino systems may well have different vulnerabilities that can be exploited. Beating any of these systems is work.

Stealth, you have a really solid take on all of this, and that last bit about beating these systems being work, cannot be understated. Its really hard to reserve engineer software when you can't get any real feedback from it until several months down the road. It has taken me YEARS to polish what I know about casino marketing software, and its constantly being updated, changed, etc. Keeping up with it is a real chore. Finding these niche casinos that have a basic software marketing system that I already have a "codename" for, is my bread and butter most days.

It is true that the Total Rewards marketing system is statistical but I don't believe it is highly complex. I am sure that we can find an inefficiency to their system that they don't know themselves.

It is incredibly complex, and as I've alluded to in this thread, it has been cracked, and is currently being taken advantage of.

Bob Dancer would like a word with you out back.

You know, for all that Bob Dancer is, the VP pro of all VP pros, you'd think he'd have gone more "In depth" with how the systems worked, and how to "truly" take advantage of them, but perhaps that golden ticket was just held close to the vest, or perhaps he never sat down to think about the bigger picture with these systems. You hear what Max has to say about him and his "comp hustling" with VP and you kind of want to sit back and question who really made more lol.

Exoter is telling the moves, too. Pay attention.

I wouldn't say I'm telling the moves, I'm just saying open your eyes to those out there curious enough to look :P

I've found 99.82% +0.2% CB + 1% free play mailers + 1% EV in drawings entries; milked it for over a year. Its gone now, but it pays to look around.

Now imagine 97.87%+8.33%FP+$3500/mo FP, +1%EV in drawings entries; Milked for 3 years running.

There are so many great plays out there right now in the VP world, they just aren't found near the epicenter of the gambling world anymore.

[seriousplayer]

I'm not sure its in my best interest to share something like this, which is the intellectual equivalent of reverse engineering the various casinos software comps systems, and finding their vulnerabilities.

Before I reverse engineer anything I must understand various casino software comps system works. Where can I find information regarding such topic. I just have to go into the casino play rated and find out from there? Maybe using the information from American Casino Guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNyPaPt5PqI

Taking Advantage of Player's Club Benefits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK83Sj9BS3E

Increase your player's club benefits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtYqJGDs7s

[RS]

Last I remember Bob Dancer, he was playing extremely thin edges with monster variance. And he's certainly not on the best plays or even good/mediocre ones. Read his blog post about playing $1 10-play UX at Palms, for instance. He's good at writing and all that (unfortunately), but it seems like everyone thinks he's the best there is. There's more to actually making money than chasing every last penny in EV, at least now a days.

[blueman]

Now imagine 97.87%+8.33%FP+$3500/mo FP, +1%EV in drawings entries; Milked for 3 years running.

There are so many great plays out there right now in the VP world, they just aren't found near the epicenter of the gambling world anymore.[/QUOTE]

Wuuuuttttttttt!!??

[Joe Mama]

You know, for all that Bob Dancer is, the VP pro of all VP pros, you'd think he'd have gone more "In depth" with how the systems worked, and how to "truly" take advantage of them, but perhaps that golden ticket was just held close to the vest, or perhaps he never sat down to think about the bigger picture with these systems. You hear what Max has to say about him and his "comp hustling" with VP and you kind of want to sit back and question who really made more lol.

I don't think Dancer is the "be all" "end all", but his software is pretty good, and if you read between the lines you can gain some pretty good insights from his blogs (insights not specifics!). I don't expect specifics reading posts here either, but have gained some insight on certain aspects of play. A lot of times, the best teachers are not necessarily the best practitioners, and vice versa.

[Exoter175]

Before I reverse engineer anything I must understand various casino software comps system works. Where can I find information regarding such topic. I just have to go into the casino play rated and find out from there? Maybe using the information from American Casino Guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNyPaPt5PqI

Taking Advantage of Player's Club Benefits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK83Sj9BS3E

Increase your player's club benefits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtYqJGDs7s

You can reverse engineer it however you'd like, but it took a lot of experimentation for me to really hone the craft on the main marketing systems, and I'll be the first to admit that I feel like there's still a few percentage points of room left for me to wiggle in some of them, especially with Evil Empire.

Last I remember Bob Dancer, he was playing extremely thin edges with monster variance. And he's certainly not on the best plays or even good/mediocre ones. Read his blog post about playing $1 10-play UX at Palms, for instance. He's good at writing and all that (unfortunately), but it seems like everyone thinks he's the best there is. There's more to actually making money than chasing every last penny in EV, at least now a days.

I don't think anybody is accusing Bob of being the best at milking +EV or anything, I just think he's probably the best "natural" player out there. Have you physically seen him work? He's so fast!

Now imagine 97.87%+8.33%FP+$3500/mo FP, +1%EV in drawings entries; Milked for 3 years running.

There are so many great plays out there right now in the VP world, they just aren't found near the epicenter of the gambling world anymore.

Wuuuuttttttttt!!??

If you look hard enough and uncover every rock, there's some pretty solid VP plays out there still, the key is NOT running your entire bankroll through them every hour on the hour.

I Know a place where on a specific day, the Freeplay equates to 50% of the bankroll you run through them that day, up $10,000 in freeplay. It happens twice a year.

You know, for all that Bob Dancer is, the VP pro of all VP pros, you'd think he'd have gone more "In depth" with how the systems worked, and how to "truly" take advantage of them, but perhaps that golden ticket was just held close to the vest, or perhaps he never sat down to think about the bigger picture with these systems. You hear what Max has to say about him and his "comp hustling" with VP and you kind of want to sit back and question who really made more lol.

I don't think Dancer is the "be all" "end all", but his software is pretty good, and if you read between the lines you can gain some pretty good insights from his blogs (insights not specifics!). I don't expect specifics reading posts here either, but have gained some insight on certain aspects of play. A lot of times, the best teachers are not necessarily the best practitioners, and vice versa.

Right, and I don't think Bob was the big breadwinner, I think he was just the most efficient player in terms of knowledge and speed. Watching him work is like watching Mozart live 1 on 1. Okay, probably not that magnificent, but you get the idea. Bob's fluidity with the machines is pretty crazy, its a sight to be seen.

[RS]

BD plays like 400 HPH. What're you talking about?