Suggestions From Those Who Been There [Attack Plan]

[20 to 1 Spread]

The two year long awaited ban/bar/tap finally occurred last night at my favorite store and now I'm planning on visiting Las Vegas since my last trip from 1-2 years ago. Perhaps I've been spoiled, but at my favorite store I got away with a $10 to 2 x $300 (sometimes $400 w/o heat) on a 7.25/8 deck PEN . From my experience in the LV from past trips, shoes are mostly 6 deck with 2 deck cut offs. I am aware I'll never find any PEN in the world as good as my favorite store (perhaps one day - but unlikely). Anyways, what I want to ask is -

If I just walk the strip entering every casino and playing most acceptable 4.5 / 6 deck shoes, playing a 1 shoe 1 max bet cycle and leaving at any negative count, betting table min of $10,15,25 to 2 x $300 - no player card or ID - can I get away with this for a week trip from your experience? Basically on an average, would this type of betting structure and game plan be effective. Or perhaps can I bet table min, once the count rises to let's say TC-5, I bet 1/2 of the table max for whatever it is, 2 x $1000 and just walk away immediately afterwards. This is assuming no ID or card was shown before hand. And I dont cash the chips till a later date.

I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to these things. My last trip, I went $15 or $25 on a DD at NYNY and ended up betting something like 2 x $900 on it. As mentioned previously in another thread, the kick came quite fast (or slow apparently since 20-30 minutes was long considering what I was doing).

I used to just drive, walk in, tomb stone for a 2-3.5 hour session and walk out with massive EV generated. Now I'm lost.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Your naiveté is glaringly obvious.

You will certainly not last in Las Vegas.

Your photos will be flyer'd all over town as soon

as you attempt to bet $1,000, or anywhere near it.

If you play with a player's card, your name will be

muddied as well. In all likelihood, on the first day you

will be entered into the O.S.N. database. It could take

longer than one day, but I doubt it.

You obviously do not know me, but I have been a Pro

Player since 1992, possibly before you were born.

Your imaginations has run wild. This is the 21st century.

I suggest that you buy a refundable airline ticket.

[20 to 1 Spread]

I don't mind getting the tap. If they take a picture of me, that is also fine. As I do not plan on returning for another 1-2 year till my next possible trip. I just don't want my name to be ruined for the future games.

With that being said, walking in. Betting table min and then jump spiking to 1/2 table max (preferably at least 2 x $300) so my hourly is okay (not that great on a 4.5/6 deck shoe) and then leaving once the negative occurs or the PB immediately runs over and kicks me out. Then I walk to the next store.

This sound plausible, no? My last trip I got kick/barred from NYNY, Baily, MGM and Wynn/Encore? with this approach and I did okay all things considered. Confident I can return w/o player card this year around.

I just want to generate EV. I don't plan on being in LV more than once in 1-2 years (for blackjack related).

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On a serious worrisome note as I am rather inexperienced, if they take a picture of me (not in the back room or anything), can this affect my future games? Doubtful right? Like it's just a radar for who's in town. And in 1-2 years, they won't even remember to check that picture of me?

BTW, imagination is not running wild. I'm fully aware from the threads I've read, that even a 6-1 spread of $25 to $150 on a DD in LV will not be tolerated. Let alone something like 1 - 70 spread that I'm mentioning. I'm not asking for longevity, I'm asking for clarifications of consequences versus EV. And whether or not I can implement such on my next trip (all risks included).

[ZenMaster_Flash]

You will never get away with anything betting black / purple.
Your assuming that you can stay away for a year or more and
all will be well. A ruinously incorrect conclusion to draw.

[Bubbles]

If their facial recognition works on you, none of the casinos, especially the ones on the strip, will let you reach the tables. You'll get the boot shortly after stepping foot inside.

[Banker]

"If I just walk the strip entering every casino and playing most acceptable 4.5 / 6 deck shoes, playing a 1 shoe 1 max bet cycle and leaving at any negative count, betting table min of $10,15,25 to 2 x $300 - no player card or ID - can I get away with this for a week trip from your experience?"

Sounds like a good plan to me. If your max at 2X300 and you leave after it. You will be fine.

[blueman]

I've not even seen pen as bad as 4.5/6 actually. Ive seen decent pen like 5/6 and 7/8 on the strip, just sucks that 6/5 bj is overtaking vegas.

Why don't you try back counting and wonging in at 2x100 and staying black? That's what i do. Or even 2x300 at true 1+ and not even showing a spread. (2x250 at places where mid shoe max aggregate is 500)

[ZeeBabar]

"If I just walk the strip entering every casino and playing most acceptable 4.5 / 6 deck shoes, playing a 1 shoe 1 max bet cycle and leaving at any negative count, betting table min of $10,15,25 to 2 x $300 - no player card or ID - can I get away with this for a week trip from your experience?"

Sounds like a good plan to me. If your max at 2X300 and you leave after it. You will be fine.

If you indicate how much EV you want to generate, maybe folks can be more helpful. I think, with a little bit of cover, you will likely get away if, after betting the 2x$300 just the one time, you walk away, win or lose. If you assume that there seems no heat and you stick around (because you lost that hand and TC is still high), bet the same amount another round, you might be at greater risk.

i will be in LV next week, 3 days, my expenses are about $350 (airline, food, rent a car, comped room) and I will be playing DD games and some 6 deck games, expect to play about 30-40 hours. I will use some bet variation and my age/looks and tourist status will hopefully get me through with a $25-150 spread in DD and a $25-2x$200 spread in 6 deck (winging out at Tc-2). I plan to mostly play off the strip.

[Jabberwocky]

I've not even seen pen as bad as 4.5/6 actually. Ive seen decent pen like 5/6 and 7/8 on the strip, just sucks that 6/5 bj is overtaking vegas.

Why don't you try back counting and wonging in at 2x100 and staying black? That's what i do. Or even 2x300 at true 1+ and not even showing a spread. (2x250 at places where mid shoe max aggregate is 500)

I've located an 8 deck game with ~ .5 deck chop but not surrender or RSA. It's a great game that I've done well with at a 1-60 spread. I also hit their DD LL bonus for $20K just recently. This is outside Nevada.

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[Bubbles]

I agree with blueman. You'd be better off wonging than jumping from table min to chunky black/purple.

[20 to 1 Spread]

From my experience, shoe games generally don't allow mid shoe entry with two hands and are capped to 1/2 table max. Assuming most games on the strip allow at least $1000-1500, then flat betting $500-600 into a TC-2 seems quite solid actually. I guess I could drop it down to $100 or $200 at TC-0 or TC-1 if I want to get in another round hopefully with some act. Or will this drop in spread (3:1 get me the boot). Will try implementing back counting.

I've only done it once. Waited 1.5-2.25 hours standing behind a table, I kid you not (such an obvious counter, when a DD 6:5 was completely empty on my right) and I counted away waiting for the shoe. Eventually a seat opened, I sat in at TC-4 and bet $400 into a $500 max table. I did lose though lol.

[blueman]

Most places allow mid shoe on the strip (if not all) and most dont have a limit. Some cap you to a max aggregate of 500. (2x250) if i have my gf with me then we would both do 1x500 each.

I would recommend wonging the strip 1 casino at a time and not spreading much, if any. Theyre too smart.

I once doubled A8 vs 4 for $500. The ploppy to my left was saying all these things like "why dont you just play right!?" First thing the pit boss did was get on the phone and ask surveillance what the count was. I heard him ask.

I once wonged in to an 8D on the strip at 2x400. The last few hands it went to a true 0 so i went down to 25. A new dealer came in and the previous dealer went straight to a pb and told them that i went from 400 to 25

Vegas mainly looks for spreads, then once they see you spreading they will watch you more closely.

I even got caught wonging in after about 45 mins at a major mgm property (although i was already flyered)

[20 to 1 Spread]

I look fairly young. So I probably will get ID'ed at least half the time. When I reveal my drivers license on the table (or in the dealer's hand), is that enough for the EITS to get a zoom in picture of my name, address and the rest of the info w/ a picture of my face?