A9 vs. 6

[FerrisB]

Howdy. The other night when playing I came across this situation. DD, 70% pen, +12 tc. This was the last hand before the shuffle. Max bet on the table. I had A9 vs 6. I had the urge to double my bet but wasn't sure if this would be greedy or draw attention to me. I just tucked my cards and took the money. Dealer ended up busting out after pulling a 10.

Should I have doubled down?

[Tarzan]

Yes.

[Norm]

Good thing I reduced the minimum post length.

[Freightman]

Yes.

If your not known, or known as the village idiot, why not. If you're known as a solid player, be wary of that particular stores tolerance.

[Bigdaddy]

You'll get varying opinions on this. It depends on store tolerances and whether or not you care about potentially outing yourself as a card counter. But that aside, I would double. It's not as ludicrous as splitting tens. These are the opportunities that propel your bankroll ahead; e.g., double or split opportunity at max bet with the dealer showing 6 and holding a "handful of heat".

[Jabberwocky]

You'll get varying opinions on this. It depends on store tolerances and whether or not you care about potentially outing yourself as a card counter. But that aside, I would double. It's not as ludicrous as splitting tens. These are the opportunities that propel your bankroll ahead; e.g., double or split opportunity at max bet with the dealer showing 6 and holding a "handful of heat".

It's a very effective way of putting yourself on the radar. I hope you move around a lot.

[ZeeBabar]

It's a very effective way of putting yourself on the radar. I hope you move around a lot.

This brings me to a related question. These days, in some casinos, the pit seems to have other tasks (keeps ng track of chips, observing cash ins and cash outs, other stuff) and EITS or other means of surveillance seem to be used. How does this surveillance work? For example, the casino is busy, the HL room is packed, lots of folks betting big on Baccarat, noisy, pit is otherwise busy or distracted and you are at one of several $25 min tables. It seems easy to think they will never notice you splitting 10's or doubling on A, 9 and most likely you can get away with those plays (only concern is ploppies getting pissed off). How does EITS other such surveillance work? How do they get alerted to someone making those plays betting a $100 (or $300) at a $25 min table when there is so much bigger action going on. Is the EITS on every table?

[Freightman]

This brings me to a related question. These days, in some casinos, the pit seems to have other tasks (keeps ng track of chips, observing cash ins and cash outs, other stuff) and EITS or other means of surveillance seem to be used. How does this surveillance work? For example, the casino is busy, the HL room is packed, lots of folks betting big on Baccarat, noisy, pit is otherwise busy or distracted and you are at one of several $25 min tables. It seems easy to think they will never notice you splitting 10's or doubling on A, 9 and most likely you can get away with those plays (only concern is ploppies getting pissed off). How does EITS other such surveillance work? How do they get alerted to someone making those plays betting a $100 (or $300) at a $25 min table when there is so much bigger action going on. Is the EITS on every table?

2 points. If you're already known, you've already been evaluated in some fashion or another. If they think lowly if you, you can pretty much do what you want. If they believe you have above average skill level you will be watched.

In some stores, eits does the checking without input from pit. In others, pit alerts eits. In still others, critters gather like vultures at the smallest parlay, or suspicious play, and ejaculate while collapsing on the table with an audible moan of "no more blackjack for you".

[seriousplayer]

Howdy. The other night when playing I came across this situation. DD, 70% pen, +12 tc. This was the last hand before the shuffle. Max bet on the table. I had A9 vs 6. I had the urge to double my bet but wasn't sure if this would be greedy or draw attention to me. I just tucked my cards and took the money. Dealer ended up busting out after pulling a 10.

Should I have doubled down?

Doubling down on A9 vs 6 and 5 are an aggressive plays like splitting 10 vs 5 and 6 if played right. Yes, I would double down on TC +12.

[Freightman]

Doubling down on A9 vs 6 and 5 are an aggressive plays like splitting 10 vs 5 and 6 if played right. Yes, you played it right with doubling down on TC +12.

Super aggressive plays, such as described above, will attract lots of unwanted attention - especially if they succeed. Now, there's your max bet, your super max bet, and your super super max bet. TC +12 qualifies as super super max.

Question for OP - was your bet max, super max, or super super max? If the latter, negates the need for the unwanted attention double - and a good act condones if with the pit.

Now, we dream and cream for the super max split and double, or 2x max bet with maxi split and multiple doubles. Those plays are expected p, when they arise and will not attract the same attention as the unwanted attention double. Point is, make sure if your venue before you make that unwanted attention play.

[FerrisB]

I'm not familiar with super max bet and super super max bet. I play a 1-8 spread and had an 8 unit bet on the table.

[seriousplayer]

I'm not familiar with super max bet and super super max bet. I play a 1-8 spread and had an 8 unit bet on the table.

Oh! 1-8 bet spread is nothing. Unless you are playing green or black chips.

[Freightman]

I'm not familiar with super max bet and super super max bet. I play a 1-8 spread and had an 8 unit bet on the table.

The terms are trademarked as Freightman terminology I don't ramp by any hard and fast rules, preferring my perceptions of casino tolerance over GAPP. GAPP is a personal professional designation referring to Generally Accepted Playing Principles and GAPD, referring to Generally Accepted Playing Deviations, fine tuned by FBD - Freightman Betting Deviations.

Now, with bullshit out if the way, double deck 1-8 ramp Is generally accepted as double deck ramping. I play 1 high end dd game with a paltry 1-5 spread, which I determine, given heat generated, us my maximum allowable spread. I also, recently played a good rule lousy pen game, when my definition of super super max arose. TC+12 supposedly eroded my sensibilities, when, after an unsuccessful 2x200 bet, I "steamed" with successive 2x500 bets. , scoring 2 snappers on the first one, and a win in the second.

Point is, after some surprised looks, no action was taken, nor did I anticipate any. Further, the first game described would have got me bounced with 1-8 spread.

Regardless of the game, I ask myself 2 questions when encountering a new situation.
1. What spread do I need to beat the game.
2. What spread can I get away with.