Is there any gaming regulations for showing the card face down in a six deck game?

[seriousplayer]

I was playing today in a Pennsylvania casino and when the ploppies double down they requested the cards to be face down. After the dealer play out her hands and bust some dealers refused to show the down card to everybody. The ploppy was seating in the first seat. Showing the card to only the ploppy in the first seat. I was sitting at the three base she flip the cards over but I was unable to see it from the three base. If I can't see I am pretty sure surveillance will not be able to see the card as well because she just turned it over so one individual could see it.

Is there any gaming regulation that requires the face down card to be shown to everybody? I want to contact the experts in this forum before I contact the Gaming Control Board.

[Freightman]

There will be published rules and regs for your jurisdiction. You should be able to google them. $10 says Flash has them in his archives.

In my jurisdiction, Face down is not allowed.

[seriousplayer]

There will be published rules and regs for your jurisdiction. You should be able to google them. $10 says Flash has them in his archives.

In my jurisdiction, Face down is not allowed.

May I ask what jurisdiction is your for education purposes so when I came across this situation I would know.

[RS]

What's the purpose of contacting gaming in this case?

[Freightman]

May I ask what jurisdiction is your for education purposes so when I came across this situation I would know.

Western Canada.

[seriousplayer]

What's the purpose of contacting gaming in this case?

So I know the specific regulations and if the casino did violate the regulations. Request them to take action. The casinos think they can do anything they want until someone gets them in trouble. When it comes to casinos I am a hater.

[Freightman]

So I know the specific regulations and if the casino did violate the regulations. Request them to take action. The casinos think they can do anything they want until someone gets them in trouble. When it comes to casinos I am a hater.

A lonewolfish attribute.

[Three]

Pa gaming regulation 633a.10 deals with doubling down in BJ:


§ 633a.10. Double Down Wager.
(a) Except when a player has a Blackjack, a player may elect to make a Double Down Wager, which may not exceed the amount of his original Blackjack Wager, on the first two cards dealt to him or the first two cards of any split pair. Only one additional card shall be dealt to the hand on which the player has elected to double down.
(b) If a dealer obtains Blackjack after a player makes a Double Down Wager, the dealer shall collect only the amount of the original Blackjack Wager of the player and may not collect the additional Double Down Wager.
(c) Upon a player’s election to make a Double Down Wager, the dealer shall deal the one additional card face up or face down and place it sideways on the layout.


As you can see it allows for the card to be either dealt face up or face down but makes no reference to showing it to anyone if the value doesn't affect the wagers outcome. First thing, you can ask the player what his card was. My second thought is you must not tip for the dealer to do this. Most dealers tend to have their first allegiance to tippers because that is were most of their wages comes from. If you aren't a tipper then their first allegiance is to the casino. I have never seen this happen to me. Often dealers give me so much attention it makes me uncomfortable. Less often pit personnel are so generous towards me it makes me uncomfortable.

[seriousplayer]

A lonewolfish attribute.

Except I don't say the casino is cheating me. I know they are not cheating but I just can't stand that the casino think they can do whatever they want. If this casino is in Nevada I would do the same thing. Or you can say I have a Ken Uston attribute.

[seriousplayer]

Pa gaming regulation 633a.10 deals with doubling down in BJ:


§ 633a.10. Double Down Wager.
(a) Except when a player has a Blackjack, a player may elect to make a Double Down Wager, which may not exceed the amount of his original Blackjack Wager, on the first two cards dealt to him or the first two cards of any split pair. Only one additional card shall be dealt to the hand on which the player has elected to double down.
(b) If a dealer obtains Blackjack after a player makes a Double Down Wager, the dealer shall collect only the amount of the original Blackjack Wager of the player and may not collect the additional Double Down Wager.
(c) Upon a player’s election to make a Double Down Wager, the dealer shall deal the one additional card face up or face down and place it sideways on the layout.


As you can see it allows for the card to be either dealt face up or face down but makes no reference to showing it to anyone if the value doesn't affect the wagers outcome. First thing, you can ask the player what his card was. My second thought is you must not tip for the dealer to do this. Most dealers tend to have their first allegiance to tippers because that is were most of their wages comes from. If you aren't a tipper then their first allegiance is to the casino. I have never seen this happen to me. Often dealers give me so much attention it makes me uncomfortable. Less often pit personnel are so generous towards me it makes me uncomfortable.

It does affect the count to a certain extent, correct?

[Freightman]

It does affect the count to a certain extent, correct?

Nope. It's an unseen card. Count is not affected since you never saw it. What is affected is deck penetration.

[Three]

It does affect the count to a certain extent, correct?

It is like an additional card behind the cut card.

[RS]

It just takes away 1 card worth of pen for that round for playing decision.
IOW: Useless.