I am curious to those who do tip, what is your average tip rate in comparison to your hourly.
EX: $80/hour tipping at $2/hour.
I actually think the above is not really acceptable, unless it's only at your local store which you play always. Even then, that's another conversion. Each to their own I guess... 2.5% of winnings is a lot life time. Just saying! But as my best friend says, if you can't play, there's no EV.
Last edited by 20 to 1 Spread; 11-19-2016 at 04:08 AM.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;208720]The best way to tip is infrequently and miserly. Betting lucky lucky or lucky ladies comes to mind.[/QUOT
How does this sound...Green Chip player, if One has a winning session of $1k, then perhaps a $25 at the end of the session. If a BJ with a bet of 100+, then a nickel to a quarter (if BJ is for an amount over $300). If you get any $1 or $2.50 chips in front of you (say, you broke a nickel to tip the waitress and had dollar chips in front), then place a bet for the dealer. If you get a BJ on a $25 bet, then you have 2reds and $2.50 that you can use as tips at higher bets (maybe he won't call "chips play") or when he places a cut card deep for more penetration, a small tip (I feel lucky with this red/blue deck).
I actually have some experience with the lucky lucky side count (my partner is actually the one who counts it) with a count that's probably equivalent to a level 3. With that being said, binking a 678 unsuited between us (we split the suited 21's and upwards by mirroring each other's side bet, sometimes % if the side bet amount is different for whatever reason) is quite likely. At a $50 LL sidebet, you're making $1500. Giving $50 is far too much. Giving $10 and you seem cheap. I've defaulted between $15 and $30, depending on the pit boss overseeing the whole transaction and other variables. Regardless, $22.50 for hitting it and extra tips from main game, probably puts you close to $30. Despite what you may make during that session, giving $30 away in these scenarios will quickly add up. You'll soon notice a few thousand dollars missing from your bottom line if you're a full time player.
Today I tipped $40. That is ridiculous. Hit a 678 unsuited w/ a $50 max bet tipping ($30) and ($10) cashing out from the main game. My EV is generally around $140/hr depending on how hard I want to play it. $40 is a meal at a 2 to 3 dollar sign restaurant on yelp. Just saying. On the other hand, giving up 20 minutes of my time for the dealer so that I don't get bad whispers and increase the probability of a boot by say (2%), then perhaps it is worth. Assuming you can extract $100K, getting the ban would be quite costly for a $40 premium per session.
ANYWAYS,
Basically I want to compare with other full time APs, what is your tip rate (for those who do)?
Last edited by 20 to 1 Spread; 11-19-2016 at 05:10 AM.
Not a full-time AP, but my tip policy is:
Only when I'm in my local store (where they know me well) and I've had a significant winning session. I will tip at the end of the session when the PC is observing the color up. I will generally tip about 20% of EV for that session.
I don't set a standard tip policy. It is a decision I make on the fly at the table based what I think a tip will buy. Sometimes I may not tip at all and sometimes I may be fairly generous. Sometimes a tip may get nothing but at times it may get a 'chips play' whispered so low no one can hear it, or a good cut. Sometimes it can get you things you don't want, like the dealer who started looking at the cards and if my hit would bust me, she gave it to herself. I had to leave the table on that one.
Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson
Did not get rat out would be a good result. Better cut is rarer but it does happens cause of tips. The others i don't want to comment , just use your imagination. there's one that doesn't have to do with money.
Last edited by stopgambling; 11-20-2016 at 04:45 AM.
Let me first say that I personally am a generous tipper in non-gambling venues. My following comments are about casinos. I welcome and expect opposing views.
While in casino action, I am opposed to tipping unless it buys you a real or perceived benefit. Bodarc comments are appropriate. Within the context of minimizing this COST (negative ev for those who missed the point), I suggest judgement is necessary and desired for tipping. Set policies are almost always wrong. However, some guidelines may be appropriate. I should note that these come from a team perspective and many may find them too harsh, to which I respond when charged with a fiduciary responsibility of exercising good judgement with team money anything less would would be breach of responsibility. A team that may perform some 4,000 sessions over time and win some 60% of them must understand that a $25 tip per winning session is $60,000. Outside of travel that would make it one of your largest cost. No prudent business would condone without definable benefits.
All guidelines are designed to minimize tipping. Tipping is rewarding the server for good results (only a win) and should reflect something relevant to their wage NOT TO YOUR WIN AMOUNT! If the dealer is making $50 an hour and you give them a $25 tip for your hour session you just increased their pay by 50%.
Never tip during play (you don't tip your waitress in the middle of the meal) because the service is not over.
Tip only at color up.
Never tip a loss.
Never tip win <1000
If you feel tip is necessary, then minimize tip on >1,000 win and tip only if pit is verifying color up.
Do I feel bad about these?
Hell no, the casinos are soaking the tourist with tipping "pressures", resort fees(?), parking fees, and on and on. Let the ploppy's pay the bonus money to the casino employees.
BTW want to express my appreciation to all who visit Vegas for your willingness to pay for our new football stadium (by increasing the resort fees). I was really amazed that you voted for it! LOL It is the ultimate money grab where we vote to take your money. Sound familiar?
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
Regarding comments by both Bodarc and Stealth
To tip or not, and if so, how much. My philosophies on the matter seem to be in ever changing flux. Further, please shade my thoughts by someone who really no longer needs to earn his monthly nut.
I no longer tip miserable, tip hustling, whore mongering tip slut dealers who act as if the toke is their entitlement. I think Stealth's best comment was the 60k example. For myself, thoughts are those of a solo artist. For those dealers I do tip, which is a fair percentage, the amounts do not change, however the frequency will. I will tip for fast efficient service, pleasantness not being critical to the equation. I will actually tip more for the occasional very average service when coupled with genuine appreciation for the player and thanks for the tip. Naturally, the logical inference is that the very genuine efficient dealer gets the most.
How much to tip us a function of expected value and convenience, with the above variables taken into account. The typical 25,75,125,175 etc bets will yield blackjack, the dealer gets a direct $.50 tip, along with a $1.00 ride on the main bet. Even dollar bets get just the $1.00 ride in the main bet. Doesn't go on every bet, depending on certain dealer actions.
What appears to be miserley can often end up being a substantial amount after a couple of hours. Also, as most people know, I generally play all, so when those unexpected bj's appear, that $1 (with my bet there as well) will often appear on our main side bet, when the situation is advantageous for that. The squeals of delight from an appreciative dealer hits the side bet well, is actually quite pleasing to me.
On the other hand, when Miss **** or Mr Dickhead is the dealer paying me 100-1, no tip is iffered, and they generally know exactly why.
Last, but not least, as a matter of policy, with the critter noting zero tips to some dealers, the appearance of a new dealer automatically has me putting $1.00 in the betting circle. It reinforces a message.
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