Ken uston

[Barney112]

my question is how come you think not too many people use ken uston Advance plus minus count I've not met anyone on here that uses it at all. Is it the difficulty with so many index number or is it just not a very strong enough count but the high low seems to me to be a lot weaker thanks everyone

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[Meistro123]

Increased error rate.

[Barney112]

Increased error rate.

Thanks over so many indexes numbers I take it

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[Meistro123]

Well I was referring more to the problem with level 2 or level 3 counts. I see now the tag values are identical to hi-lo (except it counts the 7 and not the 2) so I guess basically a lot of people do use it since they use hi-lo. Anyway it seems illogical to count the 7 as +1 and not the 2 since the EOR for 2 is higher than the EOR for 7.

[AndretheGiant]

The poster asked about Uston Advanced plus minus,NOT advanced point count. Adv plus minus has a lower bc but a higher pe than Hi low.It counts the 7 as +1 instead of the 2.I believe sims show that it slightly underperforms hi low.

[seriousplayer]

my question is how come you think not too many people use ken uston Advance plus minus count I've not met anyone on here that uses it at all. Is it the difficulty with so many index number or is it just not a very strong enough count but the high low seems to me to be a lot weaker thanks everyone

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Uston Advanced Plus Minus was initially designed to be used in a single deck and double deck game since it was created around 1981. As the casino have gotten more cautious of card counters the number of single deck and double deck games has been decreased. This has made the Uston Advanced Plus Minus outdated. As a result it is rarely used today.

[DSchles]

Ken Uston founded a school in NYC called the Uston Institute. He wanted a count that he could call his own, with his own name on it for the classes that were taught. So, they simply moved the +1 from the Hi-Lo 2 and stuck it on the 7, knowing that it wouldn't perform as well as Hi-Lo, but would be close enough. And then he could put his name on it.

Stanley Sludikoff, alias Stanley Roberts, one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever roam the earth, did a similar thing when he marketed the UAPC, which clearly underperformed the RAPC. He marketed it for $97, knowing the RAPC was better (Uston used the RAPC himself!), and then kept virtually all the proceeds from sales, screwing Uston and giving him a pittance of the sales.

So, what everyone needs to understand is that some of these counts were created not in the name of science or advancing the game, but simply to make an almighty buck.

Don

[Meistro123]

The only immoral thing is to let a sucker keep their money.

[seriousplayer]

Ken Uston founded a school in NYC called the Uston Institute. He wanted a count that he could call his own, with his own name on it for the classes that were taught. So, they simply moved the +1 from the Hi-Lo 2 and stuck it on the 7, knowing that it wouldn't perform as well as Hi-Lo, but would be close enough. And then he could put his name on it.

Stanley Sludikoff, alias Stanley Roberts, one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever roam the earth, did a similar thing when he marketed the UAPC, which clearly underperformed the RAPC. He marketed it for $97, knowing the RAPC was better (Uston used the RAPC himself!), and then kept virtually all the proceeds from sales, screwing Uston and giving him a pittance of the sales.

So, what everyone needs to understand is that some of these counts were created not in the name of science or advancing the game, but simply to make an almighty buck.

Don

I must say Uston APC is a very powerful and accurate card counting system. Adding side count of Aces one can almost bring blackjack to near a perfect game which will grind the casino down.

[Frank Galvin]

... and then, a contributor on Arnold Snyder's website, who went by the username Rich Victor, further modified the UAPC by moving the +1 tag value from the 8 pip-valued cards to the 2 pip-valued cards, without charging anyone a penny. Hence the Victor Advanced Point Count (VAPC) was born.

This UAPC variant is pretty easy to deploy for anyone who desires and commits to learning a count more complex than Hi-Lo, despite being a balanced level 3 count, with Aces not reckoned (0 tag value), but incorporated into a side count.

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ing_System.htm

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ceoriginal.htm

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ancetheory.htm

[Jabberwocky]

... and then, a contributor on Arnold Snyder's website, who went by the username Rich Victor, further modified the UAPC by moving the +1 tag value from the 8 pip-valued cards to the 2 pip-valued cards, without charging anyone a penny. Hence the Victor Advanced Point Count (VAPC) was born.

This UAPC variant is pretty easy to deploy for anyone who desires and commits to learning a count more complex than Hi-Lo, despite being a balanced level 3 count, with Aces not reckoned (0 tag value), but incorporated into a side count.

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ing_System.htm

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ceoriginal.htm

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ancetheory.htm

I use a modified version of victor whereby the deuce and ace are assigned in a secondary count.

[Barney112]

Thanks everyone

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[Barney112]

my question is this. Since I took the time to learn the advanced plus minus and where I live in the Midwest they have quite a few double decks. Should I abandon this count.... And maybe take up a different count are just keep using it

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