Seems like nobody answered the guy's question, so I'll do it.
Bee, Gemaco, Diamond Mountain, and Aristocrat are the most common I've ran into.
Source: Sucker for free shit, have drawers full of "Free" decks of cards played in an actual casino and then drilled and clipped. Have cards from all over the US, coast to coast, border to border.
Where have you seen cards by this manufacturer?Originally Posted by Exoter175
If one has almost new casino cards from several
manufacturers it is simple to place a full deck of
each side-by-side and see what the difference is.
Exoter175 ... we would appreciate a photo of that.
Let me know if the following link doesn't work for you ZenMaster_Flash http://imgur.com/a/GbUdE
Has anyone (cough, Norm or DonS) done a study/simulation on the effect of swelled (or thick) cards vs new/thin cards for a player who doesn't make adjustments? I'd have to think, at least in most standard games (ie: not an 8 deck game dealt to 95% or something), the lack of adjustments would be near negligible.
1/2 to 3/4 of a deck difference? Are you comparing 1 deck to 1 deck, or 6 decks to 6 decks? I'd expect 6 to 6 being compared for up to 3/4 deck difference, then again, I certainly haven't looked at all the different types of cards under several different conditions, in detail.
EDIT: Interesting photos, Exoter. How much of a difference is there between the thickest deck vs the thinnest deck, in terms of # of cards? I don't have the greatest vision, but it looks like the Diamond Jo deck is about 5-6 cards thicker than the Golden Eagle deck.
Last edited by RS; 10-27-2016 at 06:08 AM.
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Your eyesight is pretty close RS, I laid them out smallest to tallest, using the 4 common companies I had in my drawers ( I have just an absurd amount of them ) and though the Diamond Jo cards (Aristocrat) seem taller than the Prairie Meadows' cards (Bee), it was more of an optical illusion due to the lack of pattern on the back. Also, I'm fairly sure I nicked the top card, as when I went to put them back I noticed an ever so slight bend, which could have accentuated the illusion of being taller than the Bee's.
L->R you have Diamond Mountain Distributions, Gemaco, Aristocrat, and Bee. The difference between the last two was about half a card if anything, just ever so noticeably different when you eye them at level, from there, however, the step down was about 2-3 cards per deck all the way down to the Diamond Mountain's. All in all, I'd say probably a 6 card difference with perhaps a 3 card drop from Aristocrat (3rd L->R) to Gemaco (2nd L->R), and then another 2 card drop from Gemaco to DM (1st L->R). At seems like a night and day difference when you compare DM to Bee/Aristocrat, but when the two are side by side, the difference seems less amplified. Probably somewhere between 6 "large" cards and 8 "small cards" in terms of thickness I'd say.
If it'll really make a difference to anyone, I can pull out a micrometer and measure deck and card thicknesses.
Also, let it be known, each of those decks is 56 cards. I did not remove the two jokers, or the two "backing plate" cards that have a barcode on one card and an advert on the other.
Mind boggling stuff. I mean I just rely on watching them put all decks in discard tray, see the size of the stack, divide by number of decks. I have also watched them open new decks and place them each at deck change, can see size of each deck. It's really bizarre to me that someone has bought decks from different companies, even spent $2000 on a BJ table and lay out even before they started out in the casinos so they could estimate decks.
its kind of like buying golf shoes, golf tee's, other golf accessories you might need to play in PGA tourneys before playing a few rounds at .the local golf course.
No disrespect but if you cannot eyeball and divide by total number of decks then it's probably not a game for you.
Going to have to disagree with you slightly here. You went to college, right? You paid for tuition and all of that to learn your trade?
I don't think its far fetched to invest into your craft at all. I've spent probably 50k between my TravelWagon and my Daily Driver so that I could reduce the costs of my partners and I when we are on the road. We probably went just shy of 50k over this last year in mileage between the Camper and the DD. Even though most of what our team does is "other" AP ventures due to profitability and lack of heat, we still own and train on a "regulation sized" BJ table. I wouldn't even call it overkill for a solo-player to have one. Hell, my partner has a "regulation sized" Craps table in the basement too!! He's kind of a casino nut, though, but it makes for a really great party.
Zee, It IS DISRESPECTFUL to suggest your method of playing is comparable to the level of precision dictated by the understanding of how many decks are remaining. If you miss by one deck (and you can with different cards) then you are kidding yourself about your game. What is disrespectful and dangerous is not knowing the difference and spouting opinions and advice.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
I am sorry if you don't get what I said. The poster is a newbie. It's is sensible to try out something (BJ or Golf or whatever) before investing heavily into it, to keep expenses low. It's the same idea as starting out with a simple count and then moving on to the higher level counts if you see a future into AP and if you want to.
I was suggesting that there are less expensive ways to estimate decks.
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