RED 7 betting ramp

**Phoebe** · 10-05-2016, 10:06 AM

RED 7 betting ramp in CVCX differs completely from Arnold Snyder's values.
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...%20toCount.htm
Why ?

Rising bet @ -3 instead of 0
Max bet @ +1 instead of +16

**Phoebe** · 10-05-2016, 12:49 PM

Another question.
CVCX don't allow different values for red and black. Never mind, I use 0.5 for all 7's
What will be estimated correction for using regular value (1 for 7 red) ?

**DSchles** · 10-05-2016, 02:23 PM

Not sure if there's a big difference in SCORE, but realize that counting all sevens as 0.5 makes it a level-2 count, which is more accurate and leads to less variance when estimating betting advantage.

Don

**Phoebe** · 10-05-2016, 02:53 PM

More accurate but less easy and I know my limits. That is why I want to play regular RED 7.
But I can't sim it. So I would estimate differences in SCORE.

[Edit] Answer with only one (but enough) set of rules

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No comment.

My first and more important question remain.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 10-05-2016, 03:09 PM

I advise you to learn a more efficient count than Red Seven.

**Phoebe** · 10-05-2016, 03:31 PM

Hopeless, Don.

**Jabberwocky** · 10-05-2016, 06:07 PM

I got it ! BrH II + HNF!

**seriousplayer** · 10-05-2016, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

I advise you to learn a more efficient count than Red Seven.

Efficient means achieving the maximum performance with the least amount of effort or without wasting effort. A more complex count is not more efficient than a simple level one count because it takes more effort, energy, and time to execute and master. However, it does produce a better performance but it take more effort. Red Seven does fulfill the purpose of providing an advantage to the player and at the same time take less effort to execute and master. If something that is simple and could over perform the complex to me that is the best. Some people thinks that complex is better but I don't think so.

Suppose you want to record an audio what would you use? An ipod or tape recorder? Both fulfill your purpose but using a tape recorder is to em more simple. It might not work as good as the ipod but it gets the work done which fulfill your purpose. In my opinion there is no need to go fancy.

**seriousplayer** · 10-05-2016, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Philippe B

RED 7 betting ramp in CVCX differs completely from Arnold Snyder's values.
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...%20toCount.htm
Why ?

Rising bet @ -3 instead of 0
Max bet @ +1 instead of +16

Rising you bet @ -3 instead of 0 your advantage depletes at 4 decks in a six deck game. Trying rising you bet at -1 instead of 0 this way you have an advantage through all 5 decks in a six deck game. Red Seven has an imbalance of 2 card per deck. So for the TC to reach +2 in a six deck game the running count would have to be +12 starting the initial running count at 0 instead of -12. So -3 equal to the running count of 9 starting the initial running count at 0. The formula that I would use to convert the Red Seven running count to true count would be

[RC-2(# decks played)]/# decks remaining

This formula is very similar to converting the running count to true count in KO.

Plugging in the numbers into the formula for 4 decks has been played we will get 9-2(4) = 9-8= 1. 1/2 =.5. With each rise in true count you will have an .5% advantage approximately. So you take TC of .5 and multiply that by .5% you will get .25% advantage with Pennsylvania rules you no longer have an advantage at the fourth deck.

**Phoebe** · 10-05-2016, 11:51 PM

All values in my first post are RC with IRC = -2*(nb of decks)

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 10-06-2016, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

"In my opinion there is no need to go fancy."

In your (non-professional) (non-expert) (inexperienced) opinion that is.

I cannot disagree more stridently.

Your seeming need to defend your opinion re: your style of play

cannot stand up to the mathematical facts involved.