Top 5 cities to travel to for BJ play

[Bigdaddy]

[QUOTE=Tthree;206799]The trick isn't to fool the casino employees into thinking you aren't a counter, that point is so obvious you must assume they all know. The trick is to be tolerated despite the fact that they know or suspect you are a counter. A failure to take the fact that you aren't fooling them into account will get you banned quick. You need to give them enough room for doubt to be comfortable looking the other way./QUOTE]

A lot of wisdom here for these days of games all over the country and APs working their local stores... just wish I didn't have to read so much to find these nuggets ...

[Exoter175]

In the last year, basically since the last time I may have logged into this forum, I've played in about 15 or 16 states. There weren't many "great" games, and I dare say there was a "good" one, but there were plenty of "Decent" games to play, and the differences between all of them are pretty small. One week I might be in PA where everyone on this forum already knows they offer surrender because of a statewide legislature, the next I might be in KC where I'm fairly positive that every game carried a negative score value, they were just that bad. Next week, I might pop up in the Dakotas to one of the sweetest games I've ever seen, and not a single one of the forum dwellers here knew about it, though I probably mentioned it a year ago. Seems to me like the truly "good' games are on the coasts , and often come attached with a guy with binoculars over your shoulder, if you catch my drift.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

" ... a negative score value."

All SCORES are positive.

"I might pop up in the Dakotas to one of the sweetest games I've ever seen."

Dakotas ? Really ?

"Celebrity" in Deadwood with its $25 limits ?

For those not 'in the know' Table Max

limits are generally $100 in the Dakotas.

[Exoter175]

All SCORES are positive.


Dakotas ? Really ?

"Celebrity" in Deadwood with its $25 limits ?

For those not 'in the know' Table Max

limits are generally $100 in the Dakotas.

I was being facetious about KC, if you didn't catch that. That place is utter garbage, no surrender rules, all H17 tables with poor penetration and PB's ready to half shoe anyone not flat betting lol.

In the Dakotas, the limits are indeed $100, and sometimes lower at $50 or even $10-20 at the "bar casinos" of the North Dakota areas, offering $1 BJ. If you look hard enough, you'll find a couple good games out there where the heat is non existent and the relative $/hr can be decent. I'm not saying you can make $100/hr out there, but if you're good with playing 12 hours a day/7 days a week/ making $20/hr, that might be the spot you're looking for. Lord knows I worked it for a few days simply because I was so taken aback by the rules I found. An almost Euphoric sense of "Is this real?" pretty much kept me in that seat lol.

[mcallister3200]

If I am remembering right that you burned a game that you got banned from by posting it on the forum, I wish you would consider the idiocy of what you did..

either just plain false, or from like 2012, when I was just starting out, and idk that I'd say I was an AP at that point. Whether something's true or not you'll just make it up to fit your storyline though, as usual? And loaded with personal attacks that somehow only you are allowed to make.

[Three]

either just plain false, or from like 2012, when I was just starting out, and idk that I'd say I was an AP at that point.

It was more recent than that. Assuming you are being honest about that I owe you an apology. Sorry. Whoever it was knows who they are. Those words were meant for you.

[Three]

And loaded with personal attacks that somehow only you are allowed to make.

My "attacks" are of attacks on ideas and actions not a personal attack. Knowing the difference allows one to stay out of the no fly zone. Calling someone an idiot is a personal attack. Saying they are acting idiotic is not. It doesn't describe the person it attacks an action. Saying someone is making themselves sound like an idiot is attacking what they are saying and not calling them an idiot. I assume you can understand the difference.

[RS]

My "attacks" are of attacks on ideas and actions not a personal attack. Knowing the difference allows one to stay out of the no fly zone. Calling someone an idiot is a personal attack. Saying they are acting idiotic is not. It doesn't describe the person it attacks an action. Saying someone is making themselves sound like an idiot is attacking what they are saying and not calling them an idiot. I assume you can understand the difference.

Ah, you're right. For now on, can I say "you are acting like a total moron" or "you act like you don't know what you're talking about" or.....? That wouldn't be attacking an action, it's attacking a person and anyone should be able to see that. Do you also compliment women by saying they don't look too fat in that dress?


As far as burning of games, if you're going to say the guy making a few hundred a week has more of a right to a game than I do because it's "his" game, then I'll say I have more of a right to the game because AP is my job and to him it's a hobby. (Not that I think this, but if that's your argument to playing a game, I'll use this one too.)

Of course, there is more than one way to burn a play. One way is by hitting it hard and betting high amounts. I don't think you can really get on someone's case about that, unless they were doing something stupid which burned the play. ie: Bet the max and it'll get burned in an hour....bet half max and it'll last a long time....then it'd be stupid to bet max. And plenty get burned by doing stupid things....something is worth $10k/person and it'll get burned, or play it less optimally and it'll be worth $9500/person and it'll last, and you'll still see idiots trying to get that extra $500!

[Three]

O come on T3. Lol you've clearly got a good sense of humor and a flair to twist. Chubby Checker. How about just eliminate the letters you idio period.

A personal attack attacks a person. Using the same terms to attack an idea or action is not a personal attack. That is the very definition. Those that think some get away with personal attacks while others don't just don't understand what is a personal attack and what isn't. I may slip up on rare occasions but I try very hard to never make a personal attack. That is why I never get admonished for what I say. I understand the posting guidelines and I try really hard not to violate them. Norm has contacted me about my posts and I have tried with limited success to stay within what he wants for the site . I continue try to stay within the limits he states. He has never once said I made a personal attack. That is because he knows the difference between attacking ideas or actions and attacking someone personally. Calling someone a liar is a personal attack. You can say what someone says is not true but lying means you know it is not true but you say it anyway. You can be telling what you believe to be the truth and still be wrong. You may notice I didn't call Mcallister a liar. I assumed what he said was true and stated that if that was so it was a case of mistaken identity since the timeline was not right for it to have been him. I was not attacking him. I was attacking the action and ideas of whoever did it. I thought it was him but I was apparently mistaken. I apologized for the mistaken identity but the attack of the actions and ideas still go for the actions and ideas of whoever it was. It was still an idiotic thing to do. Had I attacked him personally the words would not transfer so easily.

[Three]

As far as burning of games, if you're going to say the guy making a few hundred a week has more of a right to a game than I do because it's "his" game, then I'll say I have more of a right to the game because AP is my job and to him it's a hobby. (Not that I think this, but if that's your argument to playing a game, I'll use this one too.)

I never said that. Someone else did. I said that purposely burning a game because you got banned there is a selfish and idiotic action. When the perpetrator did that it had no gain for him. I said if he had traded the info privately and the game got burned it would be understandable. The burning of the game was not the issue. It was the senseless burning of the game because it was of no use to the person who posted it anymore. I think I read a post from Grosjean about a hole carding game they burned for similarly stupid reasons. I lost a lot of respect for the man after that. If everyone acted that idiotically there would be no exploitable AP opportunities of any kind left.

[Exoter175]

I never said that. Someone else did. I said that purposely burning a game because you got banned there is a selfish and idiotic action. When the perpetrator did that it had no gain for him. I said if he had traded the info privately and the game got burned it would be understandable. The burning of the game was not the issue. It was the senseless burning of the game because it was of no use to the person who posted it anymore. I think I read a post from Grosjean about a hole carding game they burned for similarly stupid reasons. I lost a lot of respect for the man after that. If everyone acted that idiotically there would be no exploitable AP opportunities of any kind left.

Adding to this, I don't think anyone had stated, at that point, that anyone had burned a place because they got barred. The way I read it, was like you were saying it as an example of "what not to do in the case of", rather than accusing someone of having done it, but I could have read that wrong. Unfortunately, burning these things when you get banned seems to have become commonplace, and I know a guy who burned about 6 individuals when he got banned, throwing them under the bus in Indiana. Things like that shouldn't happen, people should have more respect for the craft.

[Three]

The post I was talking about was made a year or 2 ago. The person got barred and posted the specifics of the game and where it was stating that everyone should go and attack the game for everything they can because he could no longer play there so he didn't care what happened. Of course a few weeks later the sweet opportunity no longer existed. It was senseless. If he traded the info privately the recipients of the info may or may not have burned it. But that would have been understandable. What the poster did was burn the game out of spite like the boy that leaves the playground with the ball because the others unanimously said the way he saw a play was wrong. He wouldn't play unless they all changed to say he was right. When that didn't happen he made sure nobody could play. It is bad when a grown man makes a petty child look like he wasn't that bad. This isn't a game it is our livelihoods. Eventually we get banned if we are successful. Grow up and deal with it like a man. It was a given from the start. If you are bad at staving off the inevitable the only one to blame is yourself.

[ZeeBabar]

Jeez! I made the original post and then was on a plane to Beijing, China. Just got into my hotel room and there are 4 pages and no recommendations of which cities to travel to? You guys are ridiculous.

How the hell do you burn honey holes or whatever by saying my choices are Las Vegas, St. Louis, Wendover, Philadelphia and Tunica or whatever?

I was not asking for a specific casino. I was asking you to name cities where one can go and have access by car to more than 1-2 casinos that have decent games. I needed to plan some trips to various cities. Paranoia strikes deep...