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    Do they really know you had a losing session?

    Even after a losing session, I typically still have some leftover chips, from my original buy in, to color up. Does this potentially create the wrong image of me winning every time?

    Normally, I buy chips in small chunks, and being a red chipper, it is usually a $100 at a time. Pit bosses do change, and I'm not really sure that all my buy ins are registered.

    So, let's say I buy chips for $100. Things don't go too well, and I have to buy $100 two more times, for the total of $300 all together.

    Then I win some money back, let's say $200, and I call it quits for the day. I color up $200 and leave.

    Will this potentially make me a winner of $200 in their eyes, and affect comps, since I play rated? Do they really know that I lost?

    How are you guys dealing with your losing sessions, making sure that your losses are recorded, so that you don't end up looking like a winner every single time?

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    After you buy in for more chips they're supposed to record it. Then when you leave they record how many chips you left with. The difference between when you leave and the sum of your buy-in's is your win/loss for that session. If they don't record some of your buy-in's then it would look like a win or less of a loss than it really was. If you're unsure if they recorded it, you could ask.

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    If you have lots of buy-ins or are unsure if they were all recorded, just ask them how much they have you in for. (Don don't correct me grammar. )
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonR04 View Post
    Even after a losing session, I typically still have some leftover chips, from my original buy in, to color up. Does this potentially create the wrong image of me winning every time?

    Normally, I buy chips in small chunks, and being a red chipper, it is usually a $100 at a time. Pit bosses do change, and I'm not really sure that all my buy ins are registered.

    So, let's say I buy chips for $100. Things don't go too well, and I have to buy $100 two more times, for the total of $300 all together.

    Then I win some money back, let's say $200, and I call it quits for the day. I color up $200 and leave.

    Will this potentially make me a winner of $200 in their eyes, and affect comps, since I play rated? Do they really know that I lost?

    How are you guys dealing with your losing sessions, making sure that your losses are recorded, so that you don't end up looking like a winner every single time?
    These were thoughts I had when I was a red chipper. Looking back, it was a waste of time and paranoia. My belief is that if your max bet is under $100 and you are a red chipper, in most places outside Las Vegas (and probably in LV too), the casino really does not care. Especially when you are chipping out with under $300.

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    They always seem to be very adamant about recording how much you color up, but not so much about buy-ins.

    Asking them would give me the answer, but do I really want to do that? Wouldn't it look like I'm trying to hide something?

    On the other hand, addressing ZeeBabar's comment, my max bets are always below $100, and I very rarely cash out amounts higher than $300. Maybe I am being paranoid without a reason.

    Is it advisable to rathole a few chips from time to time, as you are climbing back up, or could that look even worse, if they realize that's what you're doing?

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    Casino's are generally notoriously bad at tracking your buy-in. You should check it periodically after multiple buy-ins. If you do you will find some casinos are terrible at tracking buy-ins and some are much better or near perfect. Unfortunately the former is more common. Just check periodically to make sure you like what they have you bought in for. Unless they don't like you occasional corrections will be made upon you pointing them out. I had a few casinos go to the eye in the sky to confirm I was right. I acted insulted when they told me the EITS confirmed what I said. After that my corrections were not questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonR04 View Post
    Asking them would give me the answer, but do I really want to do that? Wouldn't it look like I'm trying to hide something?
    Tell them all the signs this morning say your luck will be running bad so this trip's comps might be based on actual lose rather than theoretical if your luck doesn't defy the mornings signs.
    Quote Originally Posted by DonR04 View Post
    Is it advisable to rathole a few chips from time to time, as you are climbing back up, or could that look even worse, if they realize that's what you're doing?
    If you are caught ratholing every missing chip thereafter will be assigned to you. That means every chip you rathole plus every chip that anyone else leaves with that is unaccounted for. Pick the times to rathole carefully. Don't make it look like you are trying to hide the move. You can be sneaky without looking like you are being sneaky. A good dealer will be able to tell them where any large chips went. All dealers are supposed to do this as a job requirement but we all know not everyone is good at their job. I had dealers tell me exactly what was in my pocket while most are fairly clueless. The trouble is you don't know which you are dealing with. Pulling some from your pocket when coloring up like you are coloring them all up can help with uncertainty. I still had a dealer tell me I still had $635 in my pocket after pulling a few hundred out. I have had floor people do the same which means dealers are reporting as their job description requires. If enough are missing you can bet they go to the EITS to figure out where they went. Most probably don't want the EITS to review their entire session even if it is just to track everyones stacks to make sure no employee theft is going on. Employee theft is a much bigger threat than card counters. You can bet they take it seriously and pit personnel that end up under suspicion don't like what you are doing. You will be treated the way anyone would be when they threaten someone's job.

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    I was surprised that at one sweat shop they didn't even track buy-ins. Then it occurred to me they just track the play of anyone that colors up for a lot of chips to determine the buy-in and profit/loss for the session. You can bet they look for a skill level at the same time. The place is notorious for back offs upon your return after your first visit. Now I understand why. Just never buy-in for much or don't play there. Large cumulative buy-ins expose you for having deep pockets. If they see you as skilled this makes you a threat. But if they see you as a sucker then they want you there playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonR04 View Post
    "Will this potentially make me a winner of $200 in their eyes, and affect comps"
    While Cumulative Win, (when it reaches large sums like 5 figures) becomes an issue, at your level it is not.

    I assure you that at your level ... your comp rating is UNAFFECTED by your buy-ins, wins, and losses.


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    Kudos to Tthree for a fine post #7

    Semi-sophisticated players actually believe that the "rat-holing" chips is very well-advised.

    No. No way.

    I even go out of the way to tell the Pit Critter how many large denomination chips I have.

    They say "thank you" and I reply ... "Yeah I know you guys gotta keep track of the chips."

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