Really? A 6 figure bankroll to play most green chip games? I was told that my BR of about $40k was sufficient for DD play at the green chip level and play at 6 deck greenchip could need a $60k bankroll. Others put it in terms of 100bets for DD play and 200 bets for 6D play.Originally Posted by Exoter175
i have been playing DD play all style and 6deck wong out style (wonging out at TC-2) for some time now. What is the formula?
Are you exaggerating or what?
What kind of spread are you running? Your RoR is much higher than mine, and I suppose that's fair if you're okay with that kind of play style and risk. I think I was still on $10-15 tables with a 1-6 or 1-8 spread depending on location when I had a 40-50k bankroll like yours. I guess if you're wonging at TC2 you could probably get away with it, but in this day practically anything good is NMSE. I'm not saying you need 200k to greenchip, but I don't think I'd be comfortable green chipping with less than a 80k+ BR on a 1-8 spread. I guess I'm just conservative.
The point though, was the guy talking about games that are 1k/hr. Those just don't exist, at least not ones you can walk out with your money.
I worked hard toward growing a 6 figure BR to have a 0.01% RoR. After using a different linear approach long enough I guessed 3/4 of that was enough BR. Then the sim results confirmed it.
Using a playall 2 spot 2x25 to 2x250 spread with rules 6 Decks, 75% Pen, S17, BJ 3/2, DOA, DAS, SP4, SA1, LS, PEEK:
Hiopt2 and my balanced ace side count and full indices: you need a BR of $39,389 for 1% RoR or for .01% RoR $78,777.
For the traditional approach to Hiopt2/ASC with full indices: you need BR of $54K for 1% RoR, for .01% RoR a BR of $108K.
For Hilo full indices you would need: for 1% RoR a bankroll requirement of $59K and to get a 0.01% RoR a BR of $118K.
Wongout at TC -2:
My version of Hiopt2 full indices: BR of $26,095 for 1% RoR and .01% RoR a BR of $52,190.
For traditional Hiopt2/ASC full: A BR of $35,775 for 1% RoR and .01% RoR a BR of $71,550.
T3, the risk calculator on this site does not ask for count used or the number of indexes used when determining BR requirement. So, is the risk calculator just outdated? Does Don S and BJA book use count and indexes in calculating BR requirements? In a way, this is an important question for me. I want to get to a BR figure that allows me to splurge when I have reached it, that is, keep liquid BR and use the addition for purchases related to family. It currently sits at $41k. The plan is to keep the max bet in DD games below $200 and in 6 deck games to below $300, play-all for DD and wong out at TC -2 for 6 deck games.
I play BJ recreationally so a risk factor of 5% is acceptable I guess.
ZeeBabar, if you are traveling, disregard this comment.
If you are home, buy your own darn copy of Don's book. If you want to know whether something is covered by any book, such as BJA, look it up in your own copy of that book. Amazon or eBay have copies available at extremely reasonable prices.
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Frank, I lost my BJ3 book some time ago when I left it at the Best American motel in Tunica, called a few hours after I noticed it missing and they say they could not find it. I found it, BJ3, a wide ranging book probably more suitable for full time pros. Sort of like reading a repair manual. At that time, I was playing DD games in just a couple of venues and only a few pages were relevent to me at my level then.
In any case, I am holding out for BJ4, due soon.
No you're not. Even if Don released a 4th edition of his book, you would still find some justification to not make the purchase and you would still continue to come here and bombard this board with questions that could easily answered with a $30 purchase. But I guess it's a little too much for your $41K BR? And when that time comes (as it always does), I'm sure some of the other members of this board will display their frustrations with you, to which your reply will have something to with how you believe becoming a serious AP will somehow deteriorate your personality and turn you into a nasty person.
But you'll still be completely oblivious to fact that this has nothing to do with APs, but more so, it's a response (almost natural reaction if you will) to your behavior. I imagine you would probably receive similar treatment in any other community.
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