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  1. 01-09-2013, 12:50 PM #1
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    Multimillion dollar team wins?

    Not too long ago I was talking to a fellow blackjack player that I see fairly frequently at a particular casino about the deterioration of games in many venues lately, including the one we were at. He is not a counter but a good bs player who prefers to stick to double deck games. Anyway, he blamed the shifting conditions on a very large win by some high stakes counting team playing in the northeast somewhere. I think he mentioned Detroit but I can't recall. It was supposedly a multimillion dollar take at one particular casino 2 or 3 years ago.

    Does anyone know anything about this? He said he had read about it online somewhere, but I've never come across anything about this. Are wins of that magnitude even possible anymore?
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  2. 01-09-2013, 01:03 PM #2
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    There were several multi-million dollar wins by a single player in Ac not too long ago. I believe you took advantage of a loss rebate the casino offered him.
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  3. 01-09-2013, 01:05 PM #3
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    He was talking about a team win though.
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    A multimillion dollar win by one team at one Detroit casino via card counting? No way. I would put the odds at 2-1 against that the total losses attributable to card counters for all 3 Detroit casinos combined would not exceed $3 million in any one of the last 3 years.

    The threat to casino's bottom lines from straight counting simply does not exist. Real AP's should be thrilled so much time and effort is wasted "fighting the last war".
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    If one person could do it, why couldn't a team? So , to answer your question- wins of this magnitude are certainly still possible.
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    I guess it is possible, theoretically. What's table max at the Grand high limit, $50,000?
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    lI heard by word of mouth that a team was recently caught cheating a casino out of several million in a team blackjack play that involved collusion with the dealer. The team had been winning big bucks for days, but they got greedy, the way it was told to me, and went for several million in one session. The gaff, if it was reported to me correctly, was that the dealer would set the cards in his pick up and key card those sequences (I don't know what the sequence of cards was, but I assumed clumps of aces and tens and maybe a little more design than that). He would then do a series of false shuffles that would retain the original order of the cards in question. When the cards were coming out, he would signal his confederates who were the players at the table. I have no details, whether it was a shoe game or a pitch game, but it was finally uncovered by the EITS and examination of the tapes. I suppose when the key card appeared, it would be possible for the team to take just enough hits so that the next round where the large dollars would be bet would be a sure thing.

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    I think you're probably right Cinccinnati Kid. I wish I'd gotten more specifics from this guy about where he saw this, but I assumed at the time he was probably misinterpreting whatever story he'd seen. I mean, if I remember right, he was talking about a single session win from a "counting team" that was several million dollars. That's just hard to swallow, even if he wasn't talking about Detroit. I'm pretty sure there was some misinterpretation or exaggeration there - for all I know, he may be interpreting any kind of team action, like the grifters in the Cigar Afficianado scheme, as a counting team. I will try and get more specifics when I see him again.
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    Detroit isn't really northeast (it's more north central)
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    A team of ten players each making $5,000 a day would make a million dollars in twenty playing days. Divide that up into the three seperate shifts and it means each player would have to do about $1700 a shift. If this went on for three months, they'd average about $500 a shift.
    A million dollars over three months by a dedicated team would be quite simple. Anyone who thinks its impossible is being paranoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    How much BR would the 10-players require?

    $868,531.
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