More indexes more scrutiny, no?

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 09-30-2016, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by LoneWoLF

" ... who cares about heat. Play as aggressive as possible, let them back you off, return again, let them trespass you, keep returning and let them waste their funds taking you to court only for the judge to continually rule that the case is dismissed. Rinse and repeat."

You sound like a juvenile with a childish chip on your shoulders.

The judge is VERY unlikely to dismiss a trespassing charge.

However, a first offense is punishable by a modest fine.

e.g. in Connecticut it is $55

You need to understand that corporations, etc. generally

have in-house attorneys or they keep the best local law

firms on retainer.

Meanwhile, do not get arrested on a Friday night our Saturday,

because you cannot be released until you appear before a judge

on Monday.

Personally jailhouse food is the worst imaginable.

Much worse than prison food, I certainly assure you.

**Frank Galvin** · 09-30-2016, 01:56 PM

LoneWoLF,

Do you really need to establish (assuming you do not already have) a criminal record, over something as trivial as a trespass charge?

If you get trespassed, why not just give it a rest for 10-12 months at that casino, return at that time, and if they then prod you so that you know, that they know that they trespassed you, then just leave, and don't go back.

Sometimes we can be our own worst enemies. There is no need to intentionally antagonize them, when your actions can justifiably cause them to have you arrested.

**LoneWoLF** · 09-30-2016, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

You sound like a juvenile with a childish chip on your shoulders.

The judge is VERY unlikely to dismiss a trespassing charge.

However, a first offense is punishable by a modest fine.

e.g. in Connecticut it is $55

You need to understand that corporations, etc. generally

have in-house attorneys or they keep the best local law

firms on retainer.

Meanwhile, do not get arrested on a Friday night our Saturday,

because you cannot be released until you appear before a judge

on Monday.

Personally jailhouse food is the worst imaginable.

Much worse than prison food, I certainly assure you.

Too bad judges never honor a trespassing charge for card counting. It's always dismissed. If not always, 99% of the time. But then again, my whole life i live in the 1%. Ill still take my chances.

**Three** · 09-30-2016, 02:58 PM

Most places around where LW plays don't black book people unless they really ask for it. LW was already BO'ed at a casino that is an active black booker so he may be toast if he ever goes to Vegas. His attitude will get even the most unlikely stores to enter you into OSN or Biometrica etc to enter him and make his career a very short one with few opportunities. The first Vegas store to make him puts a BOLO out and his trip is done. Once they know you are in the area it is tough to get away with any play. Your face is displayed in the every pit for them to Be On the Look Out for.

**Three** · 09-30-2016, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by LoneWoLF

Too bad judges never honor a trespassing charge for card counting. It's always dismissed. If not always, 99% of the time. But then again, my whole life i live in the 1%.

No shocker based on the many attitudes you have displayed toward heat and learning how to win at differing casino conditions. I am sure those same self destructive tendencies permeate every aspect of your life ensuring you are constantly screwing yourself and your chances.

**LoneWoLF** · 09-30-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

No shocker based on the many attitudes you have displayed toward heat and learning how to win at differing casino conditions. I am sure those same self destructive tendencies permeate every aspect of your life ensuring you are constantly screwing yourself and your chances.

I would say im doing far better than the average person at my age. You're wrong once again. Thanks. And with just a little bit of normal luck like everyone else, i would be way above average. But it's alright, even with all the adversity i've faced, no one can stop me succeeding in anything. It's just unfortunate some have to go through hurdles.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 09-30-2016, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by LoneWoLF

"Too bad judges never honor a trespassing charge for card counting.
It's always dismissed.But then again, my whole life i live in the 1%.
Ill still take my chances."

You do the gullible a disservice. Judges do not dismiss trespassing charges -- because of the "case law" with precedents going back centuries - originally established as the "InnKeeper's Law" -- giving the owners of public establishments and business to remove anyone, [with the exception of actions in violation of the Federal Civil Rights Statutes], for virtually any reason; and in states like N.J. and M.O. they can easily trump up charges such as profanity, arguing in public, drunk and disorderly.

**LoneWoLF** · 09-30-2016, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

You do the gullible a disservice. Judges do not dismiss trespassing charges -- because of the "case law" with precedents going back centuries - originally established as the "InnKeeper's Law" -- giving the owners of public establishments and business to remove anyone, [with the exception of actions in violation of the Federal Civil Rights Statutes], for virtually any reason; and in states like N.J. and M.O. they can easily trump up charges such as profanity, arguing in public, drunk and disorderly.

Profanity, arguing in public, drunk, and disorderly would all have to be proven and with the casino video taped 24/7 any person with any knowledge of how to defend himself or even with his lawyer if he needs one can get it dismissed.

Go ahead and find me the last time someone got charged successfully by the casino for simply trespassing. It gets thrown out nearly 100% of the time. And the 0.1% of people who got convicted successfully were probably repeat offenders and the court had enough. I can only see repeat offenders as a cause for concern. But even for a repeat offender, the casino might be reluctant to take action twice after an unsuccessful attempt and might just resort to distracting him while playing or simply running him out of town, but i guess it would depend on how much of a threat he was with his betting level.

**Norm** · 09-30-2016, 05:29 PM

People, please be aware that there can be difficulties arising from violation of trespass laws. I'm not saying you can never go back. But, don't believe that there is zero risk.

**Three** · 09-30-2016, 05:34 PM

They just enter you into one of the books and your career just took a huge hit. Everywhere you go you are assumed a threat, cheat or crook. No casino will have any tolerance for you. I have had six BO's over decades of AP play at several different types of AP games and have yet to be entered in any books. I have had people check for me periodically. I bet you are already in the books because of your attitude.

**Ryemo** · 09-30-2016, 06:13 PM

Regardless if you can get away with it (going back after trespassed) or not... Do you really want the headache? After all, there are so many other casinos to choose from.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 09-30-2016, 07:26 PM

I'll not be taunted into an argument.
I know of what I speak.

**mofungoo** · 10-01-2016, 06:50 AM

Most trespass violation cases (not just casinos) result in the trespasser being told to leave by either the business or the police. A warning is also given that any further returns will result in prosecution. Refusal to leave at that point will result in a free ride to the crossbar hotel.