Ok so I'm still in the early part of my training and some thoughts have been really nagging me... this might be a bit ramble-y but lets see if I can communicate my thoughts... I'll put cliffs at the end once I see everything I typed out

Unedited questions/ramblings skip if it makes you're eyes bleed

I think I'm at a fork in the road, I've been working on TC conversion and its easy enough but I think learning the indices for hi-lo is going to be daunting for me. (I like to learn concepts but struggle more with straight memorization because I don't enjoy it). I've started training for Hi-lo but been going back and forth with deciding to learn zen or Hi-lo since I thought it seems like the same amount of work learning wise (I'm a empty cup), I doubt adding 1's and 2's should be much harder than 1's as I was only worried about accurate TC conversions mostly. I read a lot of posts however that discourage it (as well as people that say go for it) so I have to conclude that its gonna be significantly harder to pull off in real time than I think. I was counting my last session and realized I kind of blanked out while trying to play my hand, TC convert, and listen to people and look human. It was pretty easy on the app...

Then it hit me, I could just use the Red 7 since I can't see how I could possibly make any errors as long as I can add and subtract 1's. easy. Several online posts as well as BBiBJ by AS says it takes 80% of Hilo win rate in shoe games which I pretty much plan to exclusively play. That seems good enough to me honestly if it is true but I think there may be some hidden things that aren't said.

(this next part is confusing, disregard if it makes no sense)

for example R7 we will always start at -12 off the top so it takes a long time before we can ever increase our bets compared to just +6/6 decks early off playing hi-lo. I was wondering what the average betting round trend would look like if we compared them.
R7 will always look like (units bet 1=min bet 2= two units etc) 11111111112356 for example since we have to fight through -12
hi lo can go 1211245 since its possible to get like RC+4 first round then RC+8 next R7 we would still be betting 1 anyway...
I realized this isn't a question lol sorry

I just have a hunch the std is going to be different and likely for the worse. Or theres something else negative about the R7 besides the reduced win rate but idk what it is. If the only difference is reduced win rate than great! I can lay back and just bet more with all the freed up brain I have now.

R7

-To wong in, do we have to wait from -12 to 0? because they say 0 is the pivot (even or slightly ahead edge). Hi lo it would be pivot at TC+1 or a RC of 6 since 6 decks are unseen. This would suck because I do "drive by wonging" where I don't really stand and back count I jus count all the tables as I walk since BJ tables are lined up, once I see a RC+2 or 3, I pause and walk over to the table then hope it goes up, if not I jus keep on going and never return for the day. (I walk through the casinos a lot so I have many opportunities for this).

-betting ramp suggested is

negative=1 units
RC2 through 6=2 units
RC 6= 3 units
RC 8 =4 units
RC12 through 16=8 units

This seems way too weak to me by the time I'm through fighting through -12 I'm about ready to blast off. At RC0 I bet 2 units and RC1 4 units, RC2 8units, RC3+ 16 or 20 units. Now this is no doubt overbetting or whatever but I can't see how this guy thinks we are going to get to +16 and bet 8 units. Or am I misunderstanding him, his way we have to go from -12 to +12 jus to get 8 units out??! And I rarely see those sky high counts

so what would be a good betting spread for R7, 6decks, H17, 70% pen, DAS, aces split once the typical low stakes LV game i guess is my question. I also realized something I'm trying to figure out is what is the "most valuable" RC for R7? like the one with frequency and money out. Like in hi lo we may get out 20 units at TC 10 but it never happens while at TC2 we get out 6 units so it makes us more money. OK let me clean this up and put the cliffs down now that I think I know what I am asking.

CLIFFS

-I think I will switch to R7 due to accuracy and ease

-How do I wong in with R7?

-Betting spread for R7?

-Most valuable RC for R7? (I'm guessing its around 3? so I should get my max bet out by 4?

-Is R7 going to attract more heat due to its weaker power, in the sense where maybe I have too spread to aggressively or something idk? Is it possible to be a R7 ninja? 70-80% of Hilo win rate in shoe games realistic as published?

-Thank you for reading/answering! How can I help out/contribute around here? should I jump in the "which count should I use?" or one of the voodoo threads and flame/get flamed for your entertainment?

-Might just go back to training for Hilo... or maybe I might as well go zen... hmm ahhh dammit

Thank you much love