One time I got banned from a casino. Just before they escorted me out they made a player's card for me and then took it away. This was a year ago, and my ban states that I am banned from just that one property. I am planning to visit a sister property 1,000 miles away soon. Would I have any reasonable chance of going undetected if I get a player's card at the sister property? If not, what about when I cash out? Will they find something out when they ask for ID at the cage?
Let me understand this correctly. You were backed off, then asked for ID on which they made a players card, then removed it from your possession. That's what it sounds like. Firstly, refuse their request for ID. For whatever cockeyed reason they give you in that situation, let me assure you that they are full of shit. That being said, wheather that affects you elsewhere, hard to say without knowing the chain and the locations, however, given the scenario described, I would suggest playing unrated.Originally Posted by beta
Live and learn - we've all made bonehead plays.
"That depends", on the corporate structure and at what level they have integrated systems.
I have been trespassed from a nationwide chain and then called a member casino and was comped RFB for the weekend.
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I have been in casino unrelated to a trespass in the same city and have been backed off without playing or providing any ID.
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As an addon to this, when you've been in an unrated super duper win streak, or on a run in a new place, and the vultures start circling extolling the virtues of a players card - DONT GET ONE. Time to go, cash your chips later. If you do give in and get he card, you will be backed off in a matter of minutes, and now they know who you are. Anfpd for the record, if they don't get your name, your going to huger backed off anyways.
By the way, will be in your neck of the woods this weekend.
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We often talk about being backed off when its unexpected or even before we enter a casino and then we speculate (is it the spread, am I Flyered, etc., etc) but I was wondering if casino security or pit bosses or whomever simply do "profiling". I mean Black folks have been stopped just because they are in a white area, Muslims have been de-planed or frisked because of their dress and before they have done anything to warrant the action so maybe SOME casino folks also rely on their instincts and their experience and somehow they have figured out that someone is an AP and they do not need to wait and see a spread or wait till someone has already won a bunch. Maybe a casino has so much respect for a counter catcher they employ that he/she is now trusted when they point to someone and say he is a counter and there you go. A store can wait till you have shoplifted before they can act but a casino does not have to wait for it.
Poor thinking. Firstly, the door is open which invites the general public. Secondly, even the most brain dead of critters understand that backing off everyone with a big ball sac is pretty silly - that to much ploppy revenue is flushed down the toilet for profiling those individuals as a threat to the bottom line. Meanwhile, our new friend Fenix, who lacks a ball sac, can continue unhindered. For that matter, any eunuchs in the crowd may flourish unabated. Meanwhile, the singular counter with a big ball sac has been sidelined by profiling, along with those similarly endowed individuals who couldn't count their way out if a paper bag.
I dont know that a lot of ploppies get backed off incorrectly. Its an assumption we make because an AP here has been backed off. The AP says that he was backed off at some casino (Sweaty Spaniard or NYNY etc.) soon as he had played a few hands or that he went from $25 to a $50 and then concludes that because they backed off the AP, they must be losing $$$$ backing off innocent ploppies. Maybe they are just damn good at spotting AP's.
I was gonna just ignore this thread, but you seem to be overlooking an important factor.
To answer your question ye, you will be fine, just dont open a players card. But it should be known that you do not need to present ID at the cashiers cage!
It is known by most that ID is not reuqired to be presented at the cashiers cage UNLESS you are cashing OVER $10,000 or have cashed out more than 10,000 during a "gaming day" and the casino is aware of your multiple transactions totalling an excess of $10,000
So if you arnt cashing out more than 10,000, DONT GIVE THEM THE ID, tell them to cash your chips right then and there, and to stop withholding your money in an extortionate attempt to obtain your personal and private information to which they are not entitled. They might try to argue it is their policy to which I usually explain that they have a statutory obligation to redeem the chips for cash, and any policy they may seek to adhere to does not abrogate that statutory obligation, policy is not above the law and they are bound by that obligation as a license operator of the casino.
On this topic, an unpublished decision form an NJ Superior court strongly suggested that a casino is directly prohibited (by the Casino Control Act) from requiring a patron to surrender his/her ID as a condition for chips/tokens to be redeemed. The argument supporting this theory was accepted by the judge handling the matter where the issue of weather or not demanding ID at the casino cage was a lawful practice.
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